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Subject: D-III gets into the sex act--Wash U suspends men's soccer


Author:
Diogenes
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Date Posted: 13:30:54 12/17/16 Sat

The Associated Press is reporting that Washington University in St. Louis has suspended the men's soccer team based on a complaint by the women's soccer team regarding a "sexually explicit" 2015 document. The A.P. report is currently linked by Drudge.

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Author:
Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 14:48:01 12/17/16 Sat

Add this to recent cases at Harvard, Princeton, Columbia and elsewhere and it's obvious these are not just cases of isolated rogue behavior. It's a new front being opened up on college campuses in their PC wars.

Having said that I'm not by any means condoning the content of what was or might have been written in any of these cases. However, I am concerned that apparently students are being proactively investigated and punished for things said or written in private conversations.

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Author:
Diogenes (Son of Eli)
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Date Posted: 14:54:44 12/17/16 Sat

Exactly.

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Ivy Voyeur
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Date Posted: 15:32:36 12/18/16 Sun

Exactly ... except that these are not private conversations. Nothing sent by the Internet is private. Kids should have learned that by now. And these aren't a couple of guys talking about their opinions. They are team-wide issues, the kind that create an ongoing group culture. And they violate written rules distributed tbroughout their respective campuses. The fact that it's as widespread as it appears to be also suggests it's not just a private issue.

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Author:
observer
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Date Posted: 19:47:13 12/18/16 Sun

Who hacked all these teams' emails? Putin? Snowden? Comey? Wiener?

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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 07:25:38 12/19/16 Mon

it is Weiner

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Author:
florida lion
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Date Posted: 20:19:56 12/18/16 Sun

Ivy Voyeur summarizes my feelings very well. I'm still surprised that kids, especially smart ones who grew up with it, don't realize that the Internet isn't private.

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Author:
Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 21:40:32 12/18/16 Sun

A listserv is not the same thing as social media like Facebook or twitter. It is more akin to email which has an expectation of privacy. Here it's the definition of a listserv from Wikipedia:

The term Listserv (written by the registered trademark licensee, L-Soft International, Inc., as LISTSERV) has been used to refer to electronic mailing list software applications in general, but is more properly applied to a few early instances of such software, which allows a sender to send one email to the list, and then transparently sends it on to the addresses of the subscribers to the list.

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Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 22:37:27 12/18/16 Sun

Yes, this is correct. A listserv is equivalent to a group e-mail distribution list. There is nominally an expectation of privacy within the group but the reality is that, once any ostensibly private group extends beyond two in number, privacy is compromised. That is the nature of human behavior.

The more successful Ivy swimming and diving squads number around three dozen athletes. I went to look up the size of Princeton's roster and it's been taken down from Tiger website. Not a good sign. Harvard's roster has 35 names.

If you're going to share even borderline misogynistic or otherwise offensive messages with three dozen recipients, you're counting on a lot of addressees to protect you from other guy friends, girlfriends and just the random person who hits "Reply All" instead of "Reply" and might forward the message, inadvertently or intentionally. Lots of risk there.

Just today, I've heard the situation at Princeton, Harvard and Columbia discussed at length on SportsCenter and The Sports Reporters. That's a lot of air time on ESPN for the Ivy League. With the addition of Princeton to the offenders, it seems that we've finally reached critical mass for national media attention.

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Author:
Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 22:50:14 12/18/16 Sun

Horrible judgement on the players part to be sure. No argument there.

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