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Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits

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Date Posted: 21:00:34 12/28/16 Wed
In reply to: LionFan 's message, "Re: Two new Columbia commits" on 20:28:18 12/28/16 Wed

Columbia's class of 2016 will prove to be outstanding. We all hope that rumors are close to true and that this class rivals or surpasses last year... if so, the future is very bright.

That being said, the 2016 class was ranked on the basis of six 3 star prospects. If you look through the 2 Deeps for this season, names like Milstein, Coogan, Everett, Smith, Wainwright, Delorenzi and Lunsford all show up and were not "ranked" players.

Look a little deeper and you find out Yale's top ranked class shows only one of their 4 top 100 incoming freshman played in 2016. In a year of Yale playing all their Fr their highest ranked players did not play.

These theories are very easy things to research and validate. Wanting something to be true does not make it so.

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Date Posted: 22:27:56 12/28/16 Wed

Well, I'll bow to this point if the same is true in 2-3 seasons. In many cases, frosh need luck to get on the field, like no depth at position or older players getting hurt so first year stats can be misleading.

Related, the bigger players often have a harder path to field early on because of size, age and durability. No big uglies played consistently this season (mostly those who did were dedicated pass-rush situations) unless the guy ahead of them got hurt.

Which brings in another point, namely that the Ivy are stocked with 5/6yr HS students for more academic issues than athletic reasons. So is 3star 18yr old gonna play before a 20yr old Choate kid? Maybe not the first year, but likely the ranked one will have the better career simply because so many of these 5/6yr HS kids need the maturity to stick out because they lack the athleticism.

Finally, at least two of the players you listed were ranked (although one lost the rank when he got hurt). So, being strict on the numbers, more ranked players traveled than not as frosh and more will emerge as full time players. But many others who aren't ranked will have big impact, and they must, because there are so few ranked players. So not sure this is a worthy argument.

Don't want to argue this anymore mostly because I agree ranking is only and indicator of size and athletic ability and on a slow field anyone can keep up or be a star. But for less athletic teams (like all the Ivy's) it's nice to see ranked kids go for the education and it's a good hint that a team is improving. I see many FCS teams that kill it in their conference, and then implode in the playoffs SOLEY because they don't have the athletes to keep up - or, fewer ranked players. FBS is a totally different bird. Not ranked, 90% chance not big enough or fast enough to play!

But honestly, much more interested in your insight on other issues specific to CU. Not a big CU fan, but really think a turnaround is good for Ivy and FCS football overall so looking hard at them and hoping!!!

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