VoyForums

VoyUser Login optional ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 12345678910 ]
Subject: The Need For Football


Author:
M3
[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]
Date Posted: 06:58:56 01/06/17 Fri

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-01-06/football-is-forever-the-money-losing-drug-these-schools-can-t-quit

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:
[> Subject: Re: The Need For Football


Author:
Diogenes
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 12:42:50 01/06/17 Fri

Thanks for that Bloomberg article. Vermont has Bernie Sanders instead of football. Those wishing to become Vermont should stop playing football. Those who do not wish to become Vermont should play football.

Faculties, academic administrators and their acolytes hate football because it tethers them to subsisting realities they despise, disparage and refuse to acknowledge.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> Subject: Football and Bernie have something in common


Author:
Calvin
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 12:55:42 01/06/17 Fri

Both seem to affect cognitive brain functioning.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> [> Subject: Cognition, Brain Function, Ivy League, Bernie and Football


Author:
Diogenes
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 13:23:09 01/06/17 Fri

Freely associate only whilst lying down.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> Subject: Re: The Need For Football


Author:
The Mountain Lion
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 13:37:53 01/06/17 Fri

Now that Andrew Cuomo was brainwashed by Bernie into destroying the value of a SUNY degree what happens next at SUNY Albany and Stony Brook? Making the state schools tuition free may make Andy and Bernie more popular with their left-wing Democratic supporters, but it certainly doesn't raise the prestige of the SUNY schools and how will they pay for any of their academic programs, before you even think about intercollegiate sports. Look what has happened to CCNY, Brooklyn College and the NYC schools over the years. The City schools have been in downward spiral for decades and their sports programs are almost non-existent. .

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> Subject: Re: The Need For Football


Author:
Down East
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 16:23:29 01/06/17 Fri

Football is the "go to" marketing campaign for any university, especially when they figure the costs, benefits and uncertainty with building their brand through improved academic excellence. When even Harvard feels the need to market itself through basketball, you know that no university in the country is immune from this type of thinking: Sell the academic brand through sports.

The logic is "I could spend hundreds of millions on top-notch faculty and academic infrastructure to become 'The Harvard of Birmingham' or 'The Harvard of Western Massachusetts' and I'm STILL going to need to market myself through sports. Jeez, why not just start by marketing myself through a football or basketball team?'"

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> Subject: Re: Football brings alumni and the community back to campus.


Author:
Sprint66
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 19:42:13 01/10/17 Tue

This year Cornell drew nearly 17,000 fans for Homecoming in September. Granted we're not Clemson, but we're also not going to get many alums to come back to campus for a lecture or an art symposium. College football is a very social activity with tailgating, marching band, fraternity parties and other post game activities. For example, unlike most of the other Ivies, Cornell is a four to six plus hour drive or flight for the vast majority of our alumni. Most of our alumni only come back to campus for events like football games and reunion. When Frank Rhodes was president you saw him at nearly every home football game and he was often networking with alumni. That's why Rhodes was not only one of our best presidents, but also one of our most successful fund raisers.

In comparison today, our administration is usually absent at athletic events and then they complain our endowment is smaller than most of the other Ivies. In addition, our football team sucks a lot of money out of the athletic department simply because we do nothing to improve attendance for most home games. Like it or not, football and basketball are supposed to be "revenue producing sports" and while improving attendance may not have a huge impact, every dollar we raise in ticket, concessions, and parking is money we can definitely put to good use.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> Subject: Re: The Need For Football


Author:
Sr Punter
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 20:02:10 01/10/17 Tue

The University of Chicago still seems to have a pretty good reputation, and the fund raise pretty well.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> Subject: Re: The Need For Football


Author:
florida lion
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 20:51:02 01/10/17 Tue

Good point about Chicago U. I don't think the Ivy League will follow Robert Hutchins and do away with varsity football. But it is worth thinking about his ideals when talking about expanding the current season to 11 games, bowls and so on.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> Subject: Re: The Need For Football


Author:
observer
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 22:59:51 01/10/17 Tue

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/fball/index

They even brought it back.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> Subject: Re: The Need For Football


Author:
Sprint66
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 21:16:12 01/10/17 Tue

University of Chicago is in the third largest city in the United States, where Ithaca is a small city in rural Upstate NY. Ithaca is about the same size as West Lafayette Indiana where Purdue is located. The reason why the kids drink themselves into oblivion is there is not much else to do. That's where improved sports could help the Cornell student experience.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> Subject: Re: The Need For Football


Author:
BigReg85
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 10:09:07 01/11/17 Wed

Interesting reading! Amazing what a winning Football team can do for a school!!!

http://footballscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/13-067_99c551d6-c484-4245-9e49-964d2283cd98.pdf

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> Subject: Re: The Need For Football


Author:
Frank
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 16:10:21 01/11/17 Wed

The author is this article (and from his other work) has some sort of strange ax to grind with college football, and has a clear agenda. Sure, football is expensive and most schools operate in the red, but how many activities of this nature (sports, college theater or band etc.) are designed to make money? College sports are intended to enrich the educational experience of it's participants and spectators, and provide community relations, alumni connections and often marketing for the institution. It's not a source of revenue for all but a few.

While football may be the most expensive, its also the most popular. Football typically draws far more fans to campus than any other sport, and often many other sports combined. Football ROI is still very good when compared to other sports, despite the cost.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]


VoyUser Login ] Not required to post.
Post a public reply to this message | Go post a new public message
* HTML allowed in marked fields.
* Message subject (required):

Name (required):

  Expression (Optional mood/title along with your name) Examples: (happy, sad, The Joyful, etc.) help)

  E-mail address (optional):

* Type your message here:


Notice: Copies of your message may remain on this and other systems on internet. Please be respectful.

[ Contact Forum Admin ]


Forum timezone: GMT-5
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2016 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.