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Subject: How Did This Happen?


Author:
foehi
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Date Posted: 16:31:38 01/15/17 Sun

The decline of Penn basketball has been nothing less than remarkable. It began when Dunphy fled and there has been no sign of sustained improvement since. Losing to Yale and Brown at home the same weekend would have been unimaginable in the past.

All the things that gave Penn a recruiting edge....the Big 5, The Palestra, Wharton, the history etc...are still there but something has happened and it doesn't look like it's going to change back any time soon.

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Author:
Sprint66
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Date Posted: 20:44:23 01/15/17 Sun

Foehi....I hear ya! Although I am a Big Red fan our basketball program under your coach Steve Donahue went all the way to the Sweet 16 with packed houses every weekend, but now our home games look like a middle school modified contest with a few dozen fans in the stands.

One of the biggest problems across Ivy League campuses is excessive drinking and drug use, but just getting the kids to a football or basketball game is a great diversion from those negative activities. Meanwhile Stanford just beat Washington last evening and it doesn't seem to impact their academic standing.

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Cu_88
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Date Posted: 21:26:32 01/15/17 Sun

To further the decline I bet on Penn over Yale on Friday.

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[> Subject: Re: How Did This Happen?


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WOF
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Date Posted: 09:15:04 01/16/17 Mon

Give Donohue time, he did not build Cornell overnight and what he pulled off up there considering he had very few of the same advantaged you mentioned there, was amazing.

I wonder how much Dunph's decision to leave was impacted by his differences with Bilsky, would he have left for Temple if the situation were different?

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Lion Rooter
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Date Posted: 14:28:19 01/16/17 Mon

gee I wonder if karma came back to bite you where you sit Foehi.

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An Observer
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Date Posted: 15:28:46 01/16/17 Mon

In all college sports, the coach is almost always the most important ingredient to competitive success. Of course, certain schools have structural advantages or disadvantages. It's easier to win at Harvard than it is at Brown. As foehi listed, Penn has many advantages in basketball: The Big 5, the Palestra, Wharton, the history, even the rivalry with Princeton.

I think Dunphy felt that, even with all of Penn's advantages, Bilsky should have treated him with more deference. For his part, Bilsky may have felt like Jerry Jones with Jimmy Johnson: "Hey, you're replaceable."

It seemed like Dunphy left Penn more than he went to Temple. Like Sydney Johnson going to Fairfield, he wanted out.

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foehi
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Date Posted: 22:37:19 01/16/17 Mon

Interesting. This may have also coincided with Gutman replacing Rodin at the top. Judy was very supportive of athletics.

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WOF
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Date Posted: 15:34:56 01/16/17 Mon

I agree with you Observer

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Author:
IvySportsJunkie
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Date Posted: 16:00:55 01/16/17 Mon

I agree with WOF that Coach Donahue needs more time to turn around Penn. Turning around a team with a losing culture can be like trying to steer a battleship with a paddle.

Just as it took, Coach K four years to turn around the Duke program, some of the legendary Ivy coaches have taken several years to turn around their programs. Tommy Amaker was only 22-36 in his first two years at Harvard. Likewise, Tim Murphy at Harvard, Carm Cozza at Yale and Bob Blackman at Dartmouth, all had losing football records during their first two years at their respective Ivy schools.

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Author:
Diogenes (IvySportsJunkie)
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Date Posted: 18:35:14 01/16/17 Mon

In his first year Blackman finished 3rd in the Ivies. In his second year Blackman finished second. In his third year he won the Ivy Champioship.

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Author:
IvySportsJunkie
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Date Posted: 19:57:37 01/16/17 Mon

In his first year at Dartmouth in 1955 (prior to formation of the Ivy League), Coach Bob Blackman had 3 wins and 6 losses. In his second year at Dartmouth (first year in the Ivies), Coach Bob Blackman had 5 wins and 3 losses. Thus, technically he did have more losses than wins in his first two years.

Again, there is no question that Coach Blackman is a legend.

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