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Subject: The Waning Impact of The AI Over The Years, Now Money Talks


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Date Posted: 21:54:31 01/16/17 Mon
In reply to: Grin and Bear it 's message, "Brown hockey" on 21:23:45 01/13/17 Fri

The AI does not favor HYP. On the contrary, it was designed to handicap HYP as an offset against their advantages in finances and brand name.

However, after the re-centering of the SAT, everybody's scores got bumped up by about 100 points. Now, between the re-centering of the scale and the proliferation of test prep courses and coaches (anybody want to make $100 an hour coaching affluent kids in comfortable suburbs?), SAT figures in the Ivy League have been compressing against the 2400 ceiling for years. 25% of the kids at HYP now sport a perfect 2400 score; the other Ivies are close behind.

Because the SAT scores have become so compressed, the AI is much less of a handicap for HYP than it used to be. Today the HYP advantages in money and stature, which of course have always been a factor, become much more significant on a relative basis.

This is bad for competition and, in the long run, it's bad for the League. And I say that as an HYP alumnus. Now with Harvard leading a race to the bottom academically, the situation is likely to get worse, not better.

If you define a "good" conference as one whose RPI is higher than it used to be, well, I guess we're better than we used to be. But if you define a good conference as one in which the primary determinant of winning and losing is the talent and dedication of the players and coaches, then we are worse than we used to be. Today, money and brand name are more influential than ever before, especially money in the form of financial aid, facilities and equipment, as well as million-dollar coaching salaries. And that imbalance is bad for any conference.

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Sr Punter
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Date Posted: 17:15:56 01/17/17 Tue

Observer, I don't see how you conclude that the AI doesn't advantage HYP. The AI reduces the number of fish in the pool, so that all of the Ivies are fishing for the same fish. Singe the "little five" rarely win head-to-head competitions with HYP for non-athletes for the reasons you have identified (those numbers are known) and, I suspect it's even greater when athletes are involved. The financial and brand name advantages are only magnified when the AI numbers are included. The AI Floor is the same for all of the Ivies, and HYP get first shot at the biggest fish.

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florida lion
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Date Posted: 20:05:13 01/17/17 Tue

I'm not sure that you aren't both sort of agreeing with one another. With inflation in both GPA and SAT scores, it seems that the differential in AI between the eight schools is less than it was. So Harvard isn't prevented from going after the same prospects as every other Ivy. As Observer suggests, it may have been designed to level the playing field, but no longer does.

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Sr Punter
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Date Posted: 20:16:02 01/17/17 Tue

Correct, FD. If I may beat my metaphor to death. The AI allows those with the best bait, to fish upstream.

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Date Posted: 12:53:39 01/18/17 Wed

As Florida Lion said, I think we actually agree with each other. My point is that the AI was originally implemented to handicap the recruiting of HYP. But events since then have conspired to turn what was intended to limit the freedom of HYP into a perverse system where arguably the HYP recruiting advantage is now codified within the structure of the AI, which I believe is your main point, Sr Punter.

I know that things move in cycles and just a simple thing like a changeover in coaches will necessarily shake up the deck. But right now, it appears that the structural advantage of HYP over the rest of the league is growing. I find that very regrettable.

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