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Subject: Re: Ivy league NFL analyst disses Belichik

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Date Posted: 13:54:02 02/08/17 Wed
In reply to: Calvin 's message, "Ivy league NFL analyst disses Belichik" on 08:51:40 02/08/17 Wed

and Lombardi would never have won a championship without Bart Starr.

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Date Posted: 16:48:36 02/08/17 Wed

While I love listening to Ross Tucker and feel he is a fabulous NFL analyst, his comments leave out some very relevant information. His comparison of Joe Gibbs to Bill Belichick coaching abilities places too much emphasis solely on the importance of the quarterback. Yes, Brady is the best QB ever and this is the most important position of the field. Yet, Ross Tucker does not make any mention of the relative strengths of the balance of the Redskins compared to the Patriots teams. Other than the QB position, Gibbs clearly was able to coach with superior players for the balance of his teams. Gibbs coached four Hall of Fame players (John Riggins, Art Monk, Russ Grimm, and Darrell Green) with Joe Jacoby expected to be elected to the HOF soon. Despite playing in seven Super Bowls, it is not clear if any Patriots other than Brady will make the HOF other than Randy Moss who only played one and a half season with the Pats and possibly Ty Law. Thus, you could make the argument that these teams were fairly comparable overall.

There is no comparison when judging their coaching records and results. Gibbs coached the Redskins for 16 years averaging 9.6 wins and 5.9 losses, making the playoffs 10 times, and punching the ticket to 3 Super Bowls (winning each time). In contrast, Belichick has coached the Patriots for 17 years averaging 11.8 wins and only 4.2 losses, making the playoffs 14 times, and punching the ticket to 7 Super Bowls (winning 5 times). Most importantly, Gibbs benefitted from being a coach during the non-salary cap era for his first 12 season, including all 3 of his Super Bowl teams. It would have been much tougher to keep all those HOF players together during a Salary Cap era. When analysts discuss Belichick and his coaching record, they frequently mention how remarkable his consistency and excellence achieved are in the Salary Cap era. What Belichick got out of his entire team is remarkable.

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Date Posted: 18:08:00 02/08/17 Wed

Good points.

Another factor is that Brady was likely the beneficiary of extreme luck in two SB games that he should have lost (Seattle and Atlanta), and that for an extended period the Patriots have played in a very weak division giving them not just virtually guaranteed playoff eligibility and fewer playoff games needed to get to the SB, but also reliable home field advantage in those games.

But regardless Belichik would be my clear choice over Gibbs.

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