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Subject: Re: Short memories

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Date Posted: 15:24:43 02/20/17 Mon
In reply to: Go Green 's message, "Short memories" on 14:39:04 02/20/17 Mon

Is this how lawyers make their cases, by referring to a completely irrelevant fact unconnected to the topic at hand?

The topic is Ivy League *MEN'S* basketball where we have never earned an at-large bid. That it happened for the first time last year on the women's side is no more relevant than the fact Ivy lacrosse or soccer teams routinely get at-large bids.

Some of us believe that playing a double round robin where each team goes head-to-head with every other Ivy, home and away, is the fairest and most legitimate of determining who gets our valuable lone bid.

That other fans put the entertainment of fans and tweeters above the principle of fairness is their opinion. That some players and coaches agree is also their reasonable opinion. It's just not one we share.

And none of that has anything to do with whether we get an at-large bid on the women's side.

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Date Posted: 16:10:30 02/20/17 Mon

Since when is fairness the objective? Or determining the "best" team? All red herrings. This is a league that doesn't break ties when two or three teams have the same record at the top of the standings - it is obvious that they don't care who is "objectively" the "best."

The idea that the old system was "fair" is only an opinion. It doesn't take into account the fact that Saturday games have different officiating pools than Friday games. it doesn't take into account weather disruptions which can affect travel in the northeast (like the recent snowstorm) and disproportionately hurt the southern teams traveling in adverse conditions.

The fairness concept doesn't take into considerations the imbalance of home/road games at the early point of the season, which can affect which teams get off to better starts than others.

The fairness concept doesn't take into consideration exam schedule differences, etc. etc.

It's a made up argument, one of conjecture and not based in objectivity.

What is true is that the current setup is best to keep alumni and students engaged with Ivy League basketball on all 8 campuses (campi?), as well as provide maximum exposure to the eventual NCAA representative on ESPN's family of networks.

The previous format never accomplished this.

If the league is serious about being a division one conference, this is more important than the "fairness" and "objectively the best" issues.

Otherwise, D-3 is the answer. They don't care about attendance, publicity or anything else... so if that's the model you want...

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Date Posted: 16:56:15 02/20/17 Mon

An Ivy men's team will never get an at-large bid as an 11 seed... until one does.

We never thought the women would get two bids for the longest time either.

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