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Subject: Re: Ivy Tournament Motivation: Harvard at Penn


Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 18:56:48 02/27/17 Mon
In reply to: Tiger81 's message, "Re: Ivy Tournament Motivation: Harvard at Penn" on 10:04:27 02/27/17 Mon

This Tiger fan has opposed a post-season Ivy tournament as a one bid League ever since the subject has been discussed here, quite a few years ago. That includes through the more than a few years where our only shot at the NCAAs was a post-season.

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Author:
jerrylh
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Date Posted: 08:27:43 02/28/17 Tue

Hi Bengal
As a Tiger grad and fan, let me suggest another way to look at this.
First of all, whoever gets in isn't going to go very far. Once in a while an Ivy team will upset another higher rated team in the first round, but that's it.

Second-it adds to the excitement at the end of the year and gives us more Ivy League basketball (which I love).

Lastly, if you assume Princeton doesn't win out, they will certainly get a bid from the NIT where they will have a chance to make some noise.

Just a different way to look at it.

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Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 13:51:18 02/28/17 Tue

Thanks, Jerrylh; I enjoy your posts.

There are trade-offs, and this is admittedly all a matter of opinion. You are right, there are more teams with a stake in the end of season Ivy games than otherwise. And as soon as one person goes through the turnstile at the Palestra for the tourney and flips on the espn coverage (it will be interesting to see how big/small that audience is), there is more visibility. Neither, in my opinion, justifies denying the League regular season winner of a bid for reasons I explained earlier.

As I have said for a long time, there are ways for Ivy administrations to boost the quality of their basketball teams under the rules. One school, north of us, decided to do just that.

The NIT, certainly for some time, IMO, is a not a worthy substitute for an NCAA bid. And if it is, why is that not incentive for at least some Ivy teams in a given year to keep playing to the end of the season with a post-season goal in mind?

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Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 14:28:01 02/28/17 Tue


Everyone agree that if you're going to go one-and-done, better to do so in the NCAA rather than the NIT.

Less obvious is a big run in the NIT against a one-and-done in the NCAA.

I was at the 1999 NIT quarterfinal between Princeton and Xavier. Princeton sure looked like they were having fun, whereas Penn got bounced (again) in the NCAA the previous week. It really would have been something if Princeton had won in Cincinnati to advance to New York, but they came up a bit short...

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Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 15:22:40 02/28/17 Tue

With the subsequent enlargement of the NCAA field, and the lower criteria for participating in the NIT, though, far better to have run the table in 1975. I am glad you enjoyed the Xavier game in '99, but....1975, at the mecca of eastern college hoops. That was the NIT tourney to follow!

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Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 15:51:48 02/28/17 Tue


I was in pre-school in 1975. :)

All that being said, even if Princeton somehow blows it in the Ivy tourney, chances are pretty good that the Tigers will still be playing a week after the Ivy NCAA rep (whoever that may be) gets bounced.

If not two weeks.

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Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 16:11:37 02/28/17 Tue

Blows it in the Ivy tourney? We have shown in the recent past we can blow it in the regular season, which is not over yet this year.

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Author:
Old Tiger
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Date Posted: 13:44:51 03/01/17 Wed

Good point.

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