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Subject: IVY League playoffs-could we have 3 in the post season


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Jerrylh
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Date Posted: 12:47:51 03/06/17 Mon

It should be a fun tournament. I am looking forward to it.

Suppose Penn should win out (certainly a legitimate possibility). After all, they are hot and playing at home. The stands will be filled with Quaker fans. Penn would get an automatic NCAA bid. Princeton would definitely get an NIT bid. Perhaps Harvard might get an NIT bid as well.

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[> Subject: "Hot"?


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 12:55:40 03/06/17 Mon


Penn is on a one-game winning streak.

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[> Subject: Re: IVY League playoffs-could we have 3 in the post season


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mrjames
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Date Posted: 13:05:42 03/06/17 Mon

I'd expect Princeton, Harvard and Yale to play the postseason in some tourney. The Tigers are the only NIT possibility though. There are tourneys without the explicit .500 requirement (CIT does, but CBI and Vegas16 do not), so Penn could participate in a postseason tourney as well.

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[> [> Subject: Re: IVY League playoffs-could we have 3 in the post season


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Eastern Sports Fan
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Date Posted: 14:08:53 03/06/17 Mon

The only excuse for any Ivy team actually playing in "post-season" competition other than the NCAA or NIT would be an opportunity to get in maybe a couple pre-season scrimmages to prep returning players for 2017-2018. Suspect Yale and Harvard would fall into that line of thinking this year, but I'd be surprised if either actually paid money to host a game. Still can't figure out what Columbia did last year.

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[> Subject: It was The Best of Times, It was The Worst of Times


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:17:05 03/06/17 Mon

I think it's fascinating that, in the very first year of the Ivy tournament, on the women's and men's sides, we get the very best and very worst outcomes.

With the ladies, Penn is clearly the best team but they lost to Cornell and have been pushed by others. By logic, they should get to host the tournament, but it's not unreasonable for them to face another test, especially if they happen to lose to Princeton tomorrow night. (I wouldn't mind if the Quakers got a bye, facing the winner of Princeton/Harvard after an extra day of rest.)

With the men, Monmouth/Siena showed us once again the risk that all one-bid conferences take when they fix the tournament site at one school's home court before the season starts. The worst case scenario for our conference always was for any undefeated Ivy team to have to play a #4 Penn team at The Palestra.

And here we are, both the best and worst possible outcomes for any conference tournament. It's almost poetic.

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[> [> Subject: People keep saying this--what am I missing?


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 13:31:07 03/06/17 Mon


Is there a reason why an undefeated regular season champ playing a weakass #4 seed Penn team with a losing league record is considered a "worse" scenario than the undefeated regular season champ playing 12-2 and #2 seed Penn at the Palestra?

Even with the home court advantages, Princeton should still win on Saturday if they show up. Seems to me that an undefeated champ playing a strong Penn team would be the greater concern of an unjust outcome.

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[> [> [> Subject: It's A Question of Merit versus Happenstance


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 14:13:08 03/06/17 Mon

The Penn women are the proper team to host their tournament because they earned the right by winning the regular season. I have no problem with the lady Quakers having the HCA. In fact, I'd strongly prefer that they get it.

Of the four men's teams, Penn is the least deserving of having the HCA. That the Quakers will have it against Princeton and potentially again versus Harvard/Yale is inappropriate. That Princeton ran through the field twice undefeated only adds to the injustice.

Penn men did nothing to earn their advantage. Indeed, they are the least deserving team in the field. That's why this is the worst case scenario in terms of merit and fairness.

The Quaker men are getting the HCA because, many decades ago, the Penn administration invested the money to build a beautiful facility, not because they earned it in 2017.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: I think we will agree to disagree


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 14:25:25 03/06/17 Mon


As I said in another post, I think any HCA here means that Princeton might not win by as much on Saturday than if the game was at a neutral court or at Jadwin.

Whereas if they played a strong Penn team in the finals, they might actually lose because of HCA.

If Princeton plays bad enough on Saturday that they actually lose the game, I'm going to have a hard time accepting any "if only we were playing on a neutral court we would have shot better than 10% in our treys" arguments.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: I think we will agree to disagree


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 14:33:03 03/06/17 Mon

So you're saying that Princeton is a 100% probability to win on Saturday, the only question is by how much? Wow, I can barely believe that you think that.

I guess you and I simply don't agree on the nature of sporting events. No team is a 100% probability to win any game.

Princeton might lose on Saturday. It would be an upset, just like Penn losing to your team Dartmouth last Friday night was an upset. But it's a very real risk for the Tigers. If you're so sure that Princeton will win, I assume that you are mortgaging your house to bet the Tigers on the money line. Right?

Princeton and all #1 seeds, especially those which are undefeated, deserve the right not to play a tournament game on their opponent's home court because they might lose outright, not because it affects the margin of victory.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: I think we will agree to disagree


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 14:45:09 03/06/17 Mon


Of course, if Princeton plays like crap, they will lose. But that's true regardless of where the game is played.

How much advantage do think HCA is worth? Three or four points? Princeton is better enough than Penn that they should cover that. If they lose on Saturday, it will be because they laid an egg, not because of Penn's HCA.

But if Penn was a strong team, those three or four points could very well be the difference even if Princeton plays well.

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[> Subject: Re: IVY League playoffs-could we have 3 in the post season


Author:
jerrylh
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Date Posted: 13:53:20 03/06/17 Mon

That isn't the worst case scenario because an undefeated ivy champ wouldn't play the #2 seed Penn at the Palestra in the first game. They would play the #4 seed. Anyway,
Princeton is going to have its hands full in both games (assuming they win the first one).

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[> [> Subject: Still not seeing it


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 13:58:48 03/06/17 Mon


I can see the argument that Princeton's margin of victory won't be as big in the opening game because they are playing a (weak) Penn team at the Palestra. But they should still win.

Conversely, if they play a strong Penn team in the "title" game, they may actually lose because of home court advantage.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Still not seeing it


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jerrylh
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Date Posted: 14:33:36 03/06/17 Mon

Well Penn just beat Harvard a couple of days ago, so I wouldn't exactly call them weak. If they can beat Harvard at the Palestra, they certanly can beat Princeton there.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Does anyone really think that


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 14:51:20 03/06/17 Mon

if Dartmouth had gone 6-2 its last 8 games, GG would not have called them being on a "hot" streak?

#AlternativeFacts

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Well let's check with the real world


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 15:02:29 03/06/17 Mon


Anyone recall my predicting victory over Yale in 2015 based on our winning five of the previous six games?

Yeah, me neither.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: BB ain't football


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 15:13:07 03/06/17 Mon

After all they play two games in a week. But you knew that.

Well, probably not.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Dude...


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 15:26:10 03/06/17 Mon


The rest of the world knows what I'm talking about.

http://www.dartmouthsports.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=48792&SPID=4703&DB_OEM_ID=11600&Q_SEASON=2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtutsbXUFwY

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: It's good that someone on your planet does


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 15:36:02 03/06/17 Mon

because I doubt anyone here understands your post above.

https://www.pinterest.com/o1finechina/bunnies-with-pancakes/

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Snotty comment, as usual


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Observer
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Date Posted: 15:42:30 03/06/17 Mon


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Thank you for the pictures of bunnies with pancakes on their heads


Author:
Diogenes (Calvin)
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Date Posted: 16:04:02 03/06/17 Mon

Expanding the horizons of my knowledge.

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