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Subject: If A Tree Falls In The Woods, But Only HYP and Penn Hear It. . . .

Upper Valley
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Date Posted: 14:49:32 03/12/17 Sun

Well, the first Ivy tournament is over and it was exactly what both its proponents and detractors predicted. No surprises there.

Here's a question. How many times over the next decade will the tournament field be HYP and Penn or three-quarters of that foursome plus one of BCCD? And given that, what are the plusses and minusses of holding the tournament?

It almost feels like the tournament is a sop dangled in front of BCCD to give us something to swipe at, like a cat chasing a toy. But the real competition is among the other four and the tournament diminishes the four-team round robin among HYP and Penn.

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[> Subject: Re: If A Tree Falls In The Woods, But Only HYP and Penn Hear It. . . .

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Date Posted: 15:59:44 03/12/17 Sun

I like the tournament concept as a general idea, but the location question is a thorny issue and not easily solved. The Palestra is a great venue but you cannot build in a permanent home court advantage. Yet rotation does not seem to be the answer; how would an event in Ithaca or Hanover appeal to people? Maybe with enough time to scout out alternatives, something better will surface. Or have it on the winning team's court.

Also I don't think it's smart to to always link men's and women's venues.

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[> [> Subject: Re: If A Tree Falls In The Woods, But Only HYP and Penn Hear It. . . .

Upper Valley
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Date Posted: 16:40:52 03/12/17 Sun

Cornell's Sweet Sixteen run in 2010 is one of the conference's signature achievements ever. But Donahue kind of stumbled into Foote and, overall, the pieces came together for Cornell in a way which did not reflect some institutional or program momentum. It was kind of a lucky break, more serendipity than the construction of a program.

A lot of changed since then, mostly Harvard raising the recruiting arms race again and again. I don't think that Cornell's 2010 achievement is as relevant today, as much as I wish it were.

The momentum is not building in the favor of HYPP and that won't stop until Harvard reverts its academic standards to some closer to the Jeremy Lin era.

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[> Subject: Only one Ivy team has reached the Sweet Sixteen in the past 35 years

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Date Posted: 16:34:27 03/12/17 Sun

And it wasn't HYPP.

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