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Date Posted: 12:21:58 03/13/17 Mon
In reply to: Diogenes 's message, "Princeton v. Notre Dame--I report, you decide." on 12:07:48 03/13/17 Mon

That ND should be favored to win?

I don't think you'll get a lot of counterargument.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Should Ivy Basketball be Ivy Hockey/Lacrosse/Soccer or Ivy Football?

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Date Posted: 13:22:00 03/13/17 Mon

Princeton basketball won 16 Ivy games this year. Beat Harvard and Yale 3 times apiece. Totally dominated the Ivy League. However, they lost to Lehigh and Monmouth as well as the only decent teams they played (BYU, Cal, St. Joe's and VCU). Of Princeton's 29 opponents, only VCU made the NCAA's.

By way of contrast, Princeton's lacrosse team blew up Hopkins a few weeks ago when Hopkins was ranked #3. Ivy lacrosse teams are nationally ranked and go deep in the NCAA's (and sometimes win it). Ivy soccer teams play many of the best teams in the country and quite often go several rounds in the NCAA's. Ivy Hockey teams regularly play and do well against the best teams in the country and Yale won the Frozen Four 3 years ago.

For all the hoopla regarding Harvard (unjustified in my opinion), Ivy basketball needs to decide whether it wants to continue being Ivy football or step up to Ivy hockey, lacrosse or soccer.

In the sense that any decent team can beat any other team on any given day, Princeton could beat N.D. and I very much hope they do. Beyond that, if Ivy basketball wants to be one of the big boys, they need to schedule and compete at a big boy level as do the folks in Ivy hockey, lacrosse and soccer.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Should Ivy Basketball be Ivy Hockey/Lacrosse/Soccer or Ivy Football? Tough Row To Hoe

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Date Posted: 15:53:35 03/13/17 Mon

The reason that the Ivies can compete on a national level in lacrosse especially, hockey to an extent, and somewhat less in soccer is that the best players in those sports are closer to the natural demographic of the Ivy student body.

I'm not just talking race, although obviously that is the elephant in the room which everybody wants to avoid. It's also the urban/suburban divide and what middle-class and upper income largely white families have their kids do relentlessly in middle school and high school.

Competing with the big boys in football or basketball requires a completely different institutional commitment to recruiting a large (football) or small (basketball) number of kids who otherwise would be less inclined to wind up on an Ivy campus.

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