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Subject: Re: Memphis Bill Reframes Debate Over Harvard Basketball: WHY Did They Do It? Stanford?


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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 14:39:47 03/14/17 Tue
In reply to: An Observer 's message, "Memphis Bill Reframes Debate Over Harvard Basketball: WHY Did They Do It? Stanford?" on 13:08:10 03/14/17 Tue

I am flattered if An Observer thinks that I have "reframed" the debate on this board regarding Harvard's extreme restructuring of its basketball program. My "observations" are based on some years of watching how Harvard operates to protect what it believes is the finest educational brand in the world.

The only inside insight that I have concerning Harvard sports is a friendship with an avid booster of varsity sports, especially football, at the Crimson, who told me when Summers was forced out and replaced by Faust the this was good for the FB program, because "she's a southern girl from a family full of brothers, and she really loves football."

My general thoughts are as follows: as AO has stated, The Big Three are keenly aware of Stanford's coming up on them at about a hundred miles an hour. Just this year, Stanford's endowment surpassed Princeton's, and with
the wealth being created in The Valley, Yale and Harvard will be surpassed in this important metric.

Harvard will fight like hell to prevent its slipping to no. 2 from happening, and having a first rate basketball team, while a small piece of the over-all counterattack, it is part of a package of countermeasures aimed at preserving Harvard's self-imagined supremacy.

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An Observer
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Date Posted: 15:11:24 03/14/17 Tue

You have indeed reframed the discussion, Memphis. Reasonable people can disagree about exactly what Harvard has done and whether that action is appropriate, given the unique academic rationale for our conference's existence.

But nobody can argue that Harvard has indeed done *something*. The question of why is natural to ask, especially because the Stanford challenge affects all of us.

Of all the real and potential criticisms leveled at Harvard's behavior, the one which I find most troubling is that Harvard decided to act unilaterally.

Imagine how different Harvard Basketball Presented By Staples Office Supplies would appear and feel to the other seven Ivies if, instead of acting unilaterally, Faust had contacted her seven Ivy peers and said, "Hey, look, as a group we are losing ground to Stanford. I'd like to do something in response. How do you seven folks feel about making a huge commitment to men's basketball?"

That would have been a very different approach to upgrading institutional commitment to basketball. Then it's a conference-wide effort and everybody knows why it's being done, even if not everybody agrees with the decision.

I'd have a world of understanding for Harvard's behavior if it had been done after consulting with the institutions most directly affected, namely, conference opponents.

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observer
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Date Posted: 17:14:46 03/14/17 Tue

The idea that a woman prexy taking over Larry Summers (who "retired" for the reasons he did) going forward to her peers to suggest investing in MEN'S basketball is a nice touch.

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M3
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Date Posted: 19:26:59 03/14/17 Tue

Observer has the big picture.

Imagine 2035

The "#1 University" in the United States which attracts the best and the brightest from all over the world let alone the US , with a HUGE endowment and enthusiastic alumni who want to keep giving has a lousy athletic program?

Doubt it.

Bowen, Bok, Giamatti, Tilghman, Schmitt et al got it all wrong on Ivy athletics.

The new Presidents do not.

eg
Take a look at this years Yale's FB recruiting list.

Why is Bagnoli coaching at Columbia?

Think Penn hoops is on the rebound?

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