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Subject: Amaket


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DOG
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Date Posted: 18:29:02 03/23/17 Thu

Amaker to Georgetown?

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[> Subject: Re: Amaket


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walt yale blue
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Date Posted: 20:21:13 03/23/17 Thu

Georgetown . Can they sell the college thats what it would take.

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[> Subject: Re: Amaket


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Ivy Patriot
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Date Posted: 07:56:53 03/24/17 Fri

How would the Hoya faithful feel about the firing of one former Ivy League coach and the immediate hiring of another? I can guess.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Amaket


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 08:49:18 03/24/17 Fri


1) Unlike JTIII, Amaker has credentials from outside the Ivy as well.

2) Saying that JTIII was a bad hire is shortsighted. He had some initial success (although not at the heights of his father).

3) Who looks like a better fit for Georgetown than Amaker? Ewing? Crean? It doesn't look like there's anyone out there screaming "Obvious Replacement for Georgetown."

I'm not saying that Amaker is the guy. But I am saying that Georgetown's fan base isn't stupid. They're capable of seeing beyond "firing one former Ivy League coach and immediate hiring of another."

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[> Subject: Re: Amaket


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Sprint66
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Date Posted: 17:37:18 03/24/17 Fri

The problem with Georgetown is the collapse of the Big East. The league still sort of exists, but Georgetown can no longer recruit the same caliber of players as they once did. They're really a Patriot League team now with remnants of the Big East. Amaker would be better off landing with an ACC or Big Ten team. He probably missed a great opportunity at Northwestern.

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[> [> Subject: A shell of itself...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 18:29:45 03/24/17 Fri


It's almost been a year since the Big East has won a national title.

http://www.elitefanshop.com/villanova_wildcats_2016_national_basketball_champions_tshirt_heather_gray_000000000jh4t_c_p5812.htm?utm_source=googleproducts&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=googleproducts&gclid=CJSi6aWY8NICFYePswodaH0HRg

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: A shell of itself...


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AsiaSunset
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Date Posted: 18:34:44 03/24/17 Fri

Not to mention Xavier, Creighton. Butler etc.

It's different and certain geographic rivalries have been decimated but that's true of all the major conferences.

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[> Subject: Amaker Will Be at Harvard Until Retirement


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 22:53:30 03/24/17 Fri

I think that Tommy Amaker will choose to remain at Harvard for the duration of his career. He's a smart man. He's self-aware. And he gets the joke.

He has proven to himself that he can consistently bring in the best and most athletic recruits in the Ivy League. But due to his (relative) weakness in player development and game management, he does not win the Ivy championship every year, only most years.

Why on earth would he go to a non-AI conference where he will lose his competitive advantage in recruiting, yet still have a disadvantage in player development and game management?

Sure, he could go to Georgetown for more money. The Post reported that Thompson made $3.6 million last year. But Amaker makes more than $1 million at Harvard, even more when you add in his wife's salary from the university. So figure that's at least $1.2 million, maybe closer to $2 million when all is said and done. The public number is simply "more than $1 million." That leaves a lot of upside space in a number with two commas in it.

For Amaker at this point in his career, it's about risk and reward. He can make seven figures at Harvard for the next two decades with almost zero career risk. Or he can make more at Georgetown or another big time program, but assume much more career risk when he is smart enough to know his own coaching strengths and weaknesses.

If Georgetown calls Amaker's agent, the only result will be raises at Harvard for Amaker and his assistants, just as occurred after Boston College and the Miami Hurricanes called.

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[> [> Subject: We will see


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 07:36:17 03/25/17 Sat


The list of Ivy coaches who chose to move on when the big boys called is a lot longer than the Ivy coaches who chose to stay.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Big East is mid-major .


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Sprint66
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Date Posted: 09:30:23 03/25/17 Sat

Yes Xavier/Butler are Cinderella teams this year and obviously Villanova is still a top team, but the rest of the Big East today is mid-major and cannot be compared to the ACC or Big Ten. It was a great conference twenty years ago, but teams like Syracuse and Miami left for the ACC. They don't even play football any more and several of the teams are not even from the East??? See attached list of members.

http://www.bigeast.com/index.aspx

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Big East is mid-major .


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mrjames
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Date Posted: 10:05:57 03/25/17 Sat

If the Big East is a mid-major league, it's the greatest mid-major league that has ever existed. Boasts the reigning national champion, got seven bids this year and was rated the third-strongest league in the nation ahead of the PAC 12, B1G and SEC.

I get that it doesn't have football and that it lost some of its traditional membership, but it's still a major basketball league.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Big East is mid-major .


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Eastern sports fan
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Date Posted: 12:56:13 03/26/17 Sun

When the Big East was still the BIG EAST, it was the finest basketball conference in the nation. Newly constituted, it remains a Power Conference. There's nothing mid-major about that group of schools. And they're all fun to root for every time a Football Factory League sends a basketball team on the floor to oppose them.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Losing Syracuse and UConn hurt, but...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 10:10:44 03/25/17 Sat


From a basketball standpoint, who cares that BC, Miami, Pitt, Rutgers, WVa, and Va Tech left the BE?

Again, from a basketball standpoint, the teams that replaced them are as good or better.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Put another way, Sprint...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 10:32:21 03/25/17 Sat


If the Pac 12 lost Washington State for whatever reason in basketball, and brought in Gonzaga as a replacement...

...would that be making Pac 12 basketball stronger or weaker?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Amaker Will Be at Harvard Until Retirement


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sparman
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Date Posted: 09:44:48 03/25/17 Sat

Although some Harvard fans dispute your current compensation figures, if your numbers are correct they make a strong case for why he would not move. If he gets another raise to stay, I expect other ivy schools will have to react in kind to some degree.

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[> Subject: Re: Amaket


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Boston Lion
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Date Posted: 11:49:01 03/25/17 Sat

Harvard has abysmally forfeited its "leadership" role in academe. Weak president. Very weak. It should just cut the pretense and merge with Penn State since JoPa U. is the kind of school from which H is taking its cues about institutional direction these days. An arms race to the bottom.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Big East is mid-major .


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Sprint66
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Date Posted: 18:32:51 03/25/17 Sat

As a Syracuse fan, I loved the old Big East as it was an awesome conference, but the AD's got greedy and wrecked the league. They still have some good teams in the Big East, but overall it's mid-major today. Plus I hate conferences without football.

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[> [> [> Subject: If football is the relevant criterion


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 22:29:07 03/25/17 Sat


Then sure-- the Big East is not part of the "big boys."

But if its basketball, they are indeed the "big boys."

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[> [> Subject: Re: Amaket


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John Harvard
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Date Posted: 22:37:26 04/06/17 Thu

39,000 Class of 2021 Applicants would differ. Likely, the 2,037 accepted would match up favorably with any institution (east of Palo Alto).

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[> Subject: Money Talks


Author:
Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 01:21:11 03/26/17 Sun

GTown has the will to pay a coach a few million per season to restore their program. BBall is a major selling point for them they are not willing to give up on. So anyone they contact to interview will be given a pretty strong pitch and motivation to jump if the price is right.

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[> Subject: I Love Verne Lundquist


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 16:11:40 03/26/17 Sun

Verne Lundquist, God love him, just announced that the winner of the Florida-South Carolina game, which he is calling now, will face Georgetown in the Final Four. Tommy Amaker has had a quick impact in DC.

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[> [> Subject: Re: I Love Verne Lundquist


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 10:06:32 03/28/17 Tue

Turns out that www.awfulannouncing.com is actually a thing.

http://awfulannouncing.com/cbs/verne-lundquist-basketball-catch.html

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[> Subject: Maybe Amaker is the Greatest Publicist Ever


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 18:19:26 03/27/17 Mon

As stated earlier in this thread, I don't think that Tommy Amaker is ever leaving Harvard. Specifically, I don't think that he would WANT to leave for any job other than at Duke. Given what Chris Collins just did at Northwestern, that's one name certain to be higher on Duke's list whenever Coach K retires. Of course, Duke's list is subject to constant revision. I was shocked at how poorly Jeff Capel performed when he was given the keys to the car for a test drive. He's now safely near the bottom of the list.

But what struck me today is how many of the radio and television talking heads were talking up Amaker for Georgetown. For a guy who I don't think is ever leaving Harvard, his name is associated with a lot of openings elsewhere. I think that either Amaker or his agent is playing this game brilliantly, getting his name out there constantly.

And heavy petting with both BC and Miami led to raises for Amaker and his assistants. Why put out when a little French kissing will get you paid more money than the next four Ivy League coaches put together?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Maybe Amaker is the Greatest Publicist Ever


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Boston Lion
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Date Posted: 13:23:43 03/28/17 Tue

If the 4x salary estimate is even close to an accurate pegging of Harvard's foul breaching of the Ivy compact, the Ivies should adopt a regionnally-CPI-adjusted coaching salary AI. The AI was created to ensure that athletes' academics couldn't get too out of whack with the overall student body's academics, so the same could be used as a justification to rein in a salary arms race.

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[> [> [> Subject: Except


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 13:31:18 03/28/17 Tue


Antitrust laws would prohibit that.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Except


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Anthony
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Date Posted: 22:23:27 03/28/17 Tue

What about organizations which employ salary caps and other restrictions on whether and how employers may hire certain employees? Examples would include the NFL and the NBA.

Further, the Ivy League already restricts whether and how member institutions may recruit certain student-athletes. On the face of it, this is a straightforward restriction on competition.

Lastly, the NCAA has its on restrictions on whether and how member schools may recruit and hire student-athletes, coaches and staff.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Except


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 06:09:44 03/29/17 Wed


https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcedelman/2012/12/19/why-a-salary-cap-on-ncaa-coaches-is-illegal/#e66fc9555e5f

Short versions to your questions are:

1) Salary caps entered into through collective bargaining with the players' union are ok.

2) If it doesn't involve money, it's ok. So limits on recruits are permissible. If the league were to agree on financial aid limits, that implicates antitrust.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Except


Author:
Anthony
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Date Posted: 10:52:05 03/29/17 Wed

Roger. Thanks.

FWIW, it's the consent decree which the Ivies signed with the Justice Department which marks the very beginning of the modern era of Ivy sports. Once the eight schools were allowed to, or forced to, compete on the basis of financial aid, that started the money arms race that we see today.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Except


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mrjames
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Date Posted: 10:56:00 03/29/17 Wed

Not so sure that's relevant to the amount of money invested in these programs, but it sure has led to the proliferation of FA in the league which has massively impacted our programs in a positive way. Still not full scholarships, but we're getting there. Every step in that direction increases the talent in our league.

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