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Subject: Re: Cornell vs Syracuse


Author:
Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 09:40:27 04/09/17 Sun
In reply to: Al's Wingman 's message, "Cornell vs Syracuse" on 01:53:57 04/09/17 Sun

To Al's Wingman:

Don't count on it. Ivies' slide this season to possible one bid status in NCAA lax tourney is traceable to Achilles' heel that impacts all Ivy sports--caps on coaches' salaries. Lax programs in BIG and ACC that easily assemble half million (and up) pay packages are going to get better coaches, in part by luring top Ivy mentors to them (see recent experiences at Brown and Harvard).

Imagine the kind of money that would be waved in front of Blackman, Carrill, or Richie Moran if they coached today instead of Halcyon days of our League's first quarter century.

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sparman
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Date Posted: 11:15:06 04/09/17 Sun

I think you have a point, although ivy contenders have done OK versus ACC teams this year (Penn beating UVA, Yale losing by 1 to MD and Cornell in OT to UVA).

But we have seen how some schools can mostly compensate (pun intended) the salary issue, witness Amaker at Harvard. In lacrosse, I think the bigger issue is recruiting, both in terms of how much latitude, and also how early the big schools sign players - as early as 9th or even 8th grade. Ivies get commitments as early as 10th grade but it's not quite the same because there is always an academic contingency.

Anyway, I think Yale probably gets a 2d bid if they don't win the ILT, and Princeton might, if they win out and lose only in the finals of the ILT, but that may depend on results of other teams. In future years, they (and other ivies) have to schedule another ranked team and win the game. Either Rutgers or Hofstra would have been good Ws this year.

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Drew90
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Date Posted: 13:12:24 04/09/17 Sun

Excuses, excuses...Princeton has 2 9th grade recruits this year and nearly all the teams you recruit against (Hop, UVA, ND, Duke) have an academic contingency...at least 1 player a year disappears from above school recruit list due to failure to hit SAT cutoff or GPA.

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sparman
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Date Posted: 19:24:03 04/09/17 Sun

If you are saying that all the schools you list have the same academic standards as ivies, i say you are wrong.

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Drew24
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Date Posted: 15:12:19 04/11/17 Tue

I didn't say that -- you said academic contingencies. All those schools have them. Every recruit at the schools have to hit certain GPA and SAT - those vary depending on player. In fact, a player might be asked to hit 1300 or 1400 at one school and a lower number at another school depending upon how they view that recruit versus rest of class. Non-Ivies might not have AI but in non-revenue sports in particular employ similar approach to getting to an average GPA and SAT.

Moreover, you brought up frosh recruiting. Princeton, Penn, Brown and Cornell all have frosh recruits. Duke as an example has none.

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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 12:55:50 04/09/17 Sun

Never mind other college programs, Carril turned down the Celtics at least once.

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