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Subject: Ivies Are Doing Fine In Lacrosse


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Upper Valley
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Date Posted: 16:52:58 04/09/17 Sun
In reply to: Al's Wingman 's message, "Cornell vs Syracuse" on 01:53:57 04/09/17 Sun

Sure, we might only get one bid to the NCAA tournament this year. But I think it's premature to say that the Ivy League is losing ground relative to other conferences in this sport. Indeed, I think that, evaluating Ivy lacrosse across a meaningful sample size of years, say, half a dozen, the League is getting better, not worse.

Cornell will not stay down. On that, I am fully confident. Too much history and too much local high school talent for that to continue indefinitely. Yale has gotten mysteriously better under the same coach who produced mediocre results for years. Good for him; sometimes it takes you a while to grow into a job. Penn seems to have stepped up in a fairly permanent way. Princeton looked as though it would return to whence it was before Tierney arrived but, for at least the next four years, they have Sowers. And he is a difference maker, the kind of singular player who will not just win games but change a program.

Ivy lacrosse is not getting worse; it's getting better.

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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 21:36:30 04/09/17 Sun

I'm no expert in college lacrosse. I just watch some highlights on youtube and the occasional full game when available. It seems to me Yale has some very good talent that is playing well together this season. Sometimes that is all it takes. A down season for Cornell is not the end of the line for them by any stretch. Brown is not a good team this year but destroyed Johns Hopkins in the playoffs last season, beat Navy and gave Maryland and a very competitive game to be a step away from the championship game. I don't think the LAX pool of talent is that deep where any team in DI is that much further away from the traditional powerhouses.

I don't know where Notre Dame would fit into the equation but they are an example of a program with all the money and scholarships that are permitted. They have a ton of talent but seem to choke when it counts. They have not done much with what they have (could the coaching, they seem to mostly play conservative all things considered).

You just need a few guys in this sport to play well as a team to turn a season around.

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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 12:15:23 04/10/17 Mon

Not quite to the degree of hockey, but you can't win consistently at the top 20 level without an above-average goalie; an All-American goalie can win 2-3 games on his own.

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al's wingman
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Date Posted: 16:48:21 04/10/17 Mon

It would be interesting to know what the differences are between a lacrosse shot 10-15-20 years ago and what it is now. It seems there are some notable improvements in the technology of the sticks and heads perhaps contributing to better torque on shots. I recall seeing games 20 years ago and the ball did not seem to go 100MPH the way it does today. Are the kids stronger? Better shooting technique? It seems there is very little a goalie can do to stop a lacrosse shot. The better players shoot with incredible accuracy and power.

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Sprint66
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Date Posted: 20:36:39 04/10/17 Mon

The reason why we're seeing such high scoring games today is midfielders and defensemen are no longer allowed to hit like they did 20 years ago. It drives me crazy when a player makes a clean hit and they draw a two minute penalty. Lacrosse is supposed to be a contact sport like hockey and taking the physicality out of the game hurts it's growth. Lacrosse is a contact sport with helmets and pads, get rid of the soccer players and bring back the game the way it is supposed to be played.

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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 21:33:49 04/10/17 Mon

I'm seeing plenty of hitting. It is the head shots (elbow or stick) that draws the contact fouls. I really do wonder if the stick tech of today gives players a shooting velocity advantage.

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sparman
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Date Posted: 21:42:54 04/10/17 Mon

Yes, stick technology gives a big advantage in both velocity and ability to maintain possession, despite even hard checks.

But a big disadvantage in shooting accuracy.

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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 23:51:55 04/10/17 Mon

I have never, ever, in the Ivies seen anything scarier than Jesse Hubbard winding up after a perfect feed from Jon Hess. Never. Ever.

That was twenty years ago.

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