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Subject: Ivy vs. NCAA LAX computer ratings, over time


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Date Posted: 09:18:10 04/13/17 Thu
In reply to: sparman 's message, "Lacrosse Saturday 4/1" on 14:09:48 04/01/17 Sat

Massey Computer Ratings, D-1 College Lacross, by year.
"Central mean ranking" is a weighted measure of the "average" ranking of an Ivy team among all D-1 lacrosse teams in Massey's lacrosse ratings.
Since the # of D-1 teams varies each year, I also provide the percentile (50th percentile would mean that the typical Ivy team was exactly in the middle of D-1. A lower mean = better than average.)

http://masseyratings.com/clax/ncaa-d1/ratings
2017 -- 71 D-1 teams Ivy rankings:
Pr-13 Y-15 B-25 Pn-28 H-34 Cor-40 D-65
Ivy Central mean ranking: 29.8 (42nd percentile of all teams)

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=clax2016&sub=11590
2016 -- 70 D-1 teams Ivy rankings:
B-3 Y-6 H-17 Pn-24 Cor-30 Pr-35 D-67
Ivy Central mean ranking: 24.3 (35th percentile of all teams)

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=clax2015&sub=11590
2015 -- 62 D-1 teams Ivy rankings:
Y-10 Pr-14 B-16 Cor-17 H-22 Pn-28 D-51
Ivy Central mean ranking: 20.4 (33rd percentile of all teams)

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=clax2014&sub=11590
2014 -- 67 D-1 teams Ivy rankings:
Pn-8 Cor-13 H-16 Y-19 Pr-20 B-26 D-54
Ivy Central mean ranking: 20.3 (30th percentile of all teams)

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=clax2013&sub=11590
2013 -- 61 D-1 teams Ivy rankings:
Cor-3 Y-6 Pr-8 Pn-12 B-24 H-26 D-42
Ivy Central mean ranking: 15.8 (26th percentile of all teams)

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=clax2012&sub=11590
2012 -- 60 D-1 teams Ivy rankings:
Y-9 Pr-13 Cor-15 B-28 H-30 Pn-31 D-33
Ivy Central mean ranking: 23.5 (39th percentile of all teams)

I was going to calculate five years, but decided to go back six years to avoid the appearance of cherry-picked data. That doesn't change the fact that:

The mean performance of Ivy LAX vs. all of D-1 has decreased for the past five years.

And even though 2012 was a middling year for the League overall, it's worth noting that in 2012, ALL of the teams were in or very close to the upper-half of D-1.

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Date Posted: 10:41:27 04/13/17 Thu

The big takeaway here is that even with expansion over the past decade, very few schools compete in the sport at all, especially Power 5 schools. If the Pac 12, Big 12 or SEC ever got into lacrosse, goodbye Ivy competitive advantage.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy vs. NCAA LAX computer ratings, over time


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Diogenes (voy vey)
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Date Posted: 11:06:11 04/13/17 Thu

Thank you for taking the time to put those very revealing numbers together. Would it be a fair to compare Ivy lacrosse to PAC-12 football?

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Calvin
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Date Posted: 12:30:50 04/13/17 Thu

I don't attend these ivy games, but I will look into it if they have cheerleaders comparable to the Pac 12.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivy vs. NCAA LAX computer ratings, over time


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Diogenes (Calvin)
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Date Posted: 13:01:37 04/13/17 Thu

I'll go to Ivy League golf matches if they have anyone who looks like Sergio's fiancee.

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Sr Punter
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Date Posted: 20:27:24 04/13/17 Thu

I have been to Ivy golf matches and they do have participants who look like both Sergio and his fiancee.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: News we can use


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Diogenes (Sr Punter)
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Date Posted: 05:23:21 04/14/17 Fri

Short skirts, Sergio and Ivy golf. The Convergence.

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Calvin
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Date Posted: 10:12:23 04/14/17 Fri

Was that a skirt, or a handkerchief drafted into emergency service?

You have an eye for detail.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I thought it was one of the Seven Veils


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Diogenes (Calvin)
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Date Posted: 12:53:18 04/14/17 Fri


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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy vs. NCAA LAX computer ratings, over time


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al's wingman
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Date Posted: 15:56:54 04/13/17 Thu

Interesting numbers. Ivies used to have a reputation as premier LAX schools for high achievers to play at. Now choices are much greater.

Bottom line is LAX is almost but not quite a deep sport for recruiting. If you go back a few decades, neither was football or soccer. We all know what happened there. It also took awhile for ice hockey to gain traction with organized leagues kids could play in and become groomed for collegiate level play. On the women's side lots of team sports are booming successfully.

Men's LAX is primed for a bigger expansion. There are a few hundred schools nationwide playing in the Men's Collegiate Lacrosse Association (MCLA) which is not varsity but not a whole lot different than the lower top 20 and outliers of DI and all of DII and III. They have coaches and playing fields. What is missing is the funding for things like recruiting and locker rooms, overall more structure around the program.

More teams will be added every year to Di so in a decade LAX will look the same as the other nationwide sports.

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sparman
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Date Posted: 16:20:56 04/13/17 Thu

On the one hand, if men's lacrosse expands to big conference schools, I agree that womens' expansion shows that schools with club teams can progress rapidliy. Florida, Colorado and Southern Cal all former club teams but ranked top 10 currently in D1. The former men's club team at Michigan is rapidly improving too.

But on the other hand, Title IX has always been cited as holding back more schools from adding a mens team and I don't see that changing.

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