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Subject: U Chicago Reports 2021 Football Recruiting Class


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Date Posted: 12:19:04 04/15/17 Sat

U Chicago recently reported its recruiting class. With a US News & World Report #3 ranking, and a football program eligible for the NCAA playoffs, Dartmouth’s former Associate Head Coach Chris Wilkerson (now in 3rd year at Chicago) has nice modern day assets (vs. historic Heisman and National Championship trophies) to attract high school seniors. A couple of his recruits had preferred walk on offers at Big Ten schools, but selected Chicago based on global academic prestige and likelihood for playing time. There is not information available as to which Chicago recruits had Ivy offers.

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/20170328olmhmh

On a related Chicago vs. Ivy admissions topic (non-athletes), U Chicago 2021 class now has a large cross-commit advantage of 80/20 vs. the Ivy’s bottom third and 70/30 vs. the Ivy’s middle third. Reports also say Chicago is still just under 50% vs. HYP cross admits for the 2021 class, but this week a surge off over a half dozen Harvard admits just committed to Chicago for 2021 class. Stanford is still is showing a substantial cross admit advantage over Chicago.

Relating to admissions yield, U Chicago is on track for a school, and potentially national, record on admissions yield (number of students that commit/number students admitted). The yield for the 2021 class is said to be well over 80%. Having nearly the entire incoming class deem U Chicago as their “first choice” school will eventually have far reaching implications.

This recent WSJ article may have helped some in some decisions.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chicago-lures-more-companies-returning-to-downtown-1491903004

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[> Subject: Re: U Chicago Reports 2021 Football Recruiting Class


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Old Lion (Grim)
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Date Posted: 08:57:36 04/16/17 Sun

"The place where fun went to die." Great school, brutal grind, lousy neighborhood, miserable winters.

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[> [> Subject: Must be a Chicago thing


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 15:04:09 04/16/17 Sun

I've been told northwestern isn't much different

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[> Subject: due to climate change


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 09:36:28 04/16/17 Sun

I believe that Chicago went over 2 months without a measurable snowfall this winter
http://www.climatesignals.org/headlines/events/chicago-snow-drought-winter-2017

And I am a climate change denier being in fossil fuel business

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[> Subject: Re: U Chicago Reports 2021 Football Recruiting Class


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DFW HOYA
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Date Posted: 14:06:51 04/16/17 Sun

UChicago also fills up more of its class with two rounds of early decision.

Here were the other early accept rates for the current class:

https://blog.ivywise.com/blog-0/class-of-2021-early-admission-rates

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[> [> Subject: Early Admission at Chicago


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Date Posted: 15:51:23 04/16/17 Sun

It should also be pointed out that admission is binding for early applicants at Chicago, unlike for early applicants for Harvard, Yale or Stanford.

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[> Subject: Re: U Chicago Reports 2021 Football Recruiting Class


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M3
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Date Posted: 18:15:48 04/16/17 Sun

In defense of where I went to grad school

1) Excellent academics. As good or better an undergrad eduction as any Ivy or Stanford. They expect students to work.

2) Chicago is a great town. Like New York except the people are not full of themselves and are polite.

3) They have gone beyond the old quote of President Hutchins "Whenever I feel the need to exercise I lie down until it goes away". The athletic facilities now are now quite nice.


As per the Northwestern comment they are basically Princeton on Lake Michigan.

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[> Subject: Re: U Chicago Reports 2021 Football Recruiting Class


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IvySportsJunkie
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Date Posted: 11:51:04 04/17/17 Mon

While I fully agree that U Chicago is an excellent university academically, the surrounding neighborhood (Hyde Park) is not good and somewhat unsafe. To illustrate this point, well over 90% of the U Chicago MBAs commute to campus from downtown Chicago to avoid living in this neighborhood. In sharp contrast, Northwestern has over 90% of its MBAs living near the campus in Evanston.

As a graduate student, you do not mind commuting to the U C campus from downtown Chicago, but for undergraduate student athletes, they strongly prefer to be part of a campus with a good social life. Until U Chicago truly regentrifies the surrounding neighborhood, U Chicago will always struggle in its recruiting process.

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[> [> Subject: Re: U Chicago Reports 2021 Football Recruiting Class


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Date Posted: 17:55:43 06/02/17 Fri

Excellent points about UChicago's Hyde Park location. While the campus is among then most beautiful in the world, the surrounding area can be improved quite a bit. The recent development site that put a Whole Foods in Hyde Park seems to be spreading, with other mixed use and retail popping up all over. This activity and investment is likely coming in front of the multi billion Presidential Library, which will be truly transformative to the area. That said, for recruits thinking about comparing to the Ivies, the location is a long way to go to become Cambridge. On other hand, It is many levels above New Haven and Providence. Penn and Chicago can be a jump ball. NYC and Columbia and Chicago, in addition to the Core Curriculum rivalry among students, is truly a measure of the East Coast and the Midwest. Preference. As for Cornell and Dartmouth, better if you like rural, worse if you want city. Princeton is a suburban middle ground among all of them. But location is an excellent topic to compare and contrast.

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[> [> [> Subject: Columbia: A Few Notes


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Tod Howard Hawks
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Date Posted: 21:00:13 06/02/17 Fri

Columbia had the third most selective Class of 2021 in the nation, 5.8%.

And it was the famed Mortimer Adler, an alumnus of Columbia College, who brought from Columbia to Chicago, the Great Books program, the precursor of the Columbia's Core Curriculum, which was founded in 1919 and has been the centerpiece of Columbia College's undergraduate education continuously ever since.

Moreover, it should be noted that every Columbia College student, regardless of his or her major or extra-curricular interests, is required to take this two-year, rigorous course of study that ranges from the great books of literature and history and philosophy to the great works of art and music. And speaking of football players (not to mention other athletes or dancers or debaters, etc.), there is no end-sweep wide enough to circumvent the Core.

Chicago was, and still is, the beneficiary of Columbia's forward thinking.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: another note:


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Date Posted: 22:52:54 06/02/17 Fri

Both Chicago and Columbia have BINDING early decision, which helps the yield rate a bit.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Columbia and Harvard and Stanford


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Tod Howard Hawks
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Date Posted: 00:54:04 06/03/17 Sat

It is only fair to note that Harvard was not the most selective school (5.2%) in the nation in 2017. That honor belongs to Stanford (4.7%)

Columbia, as mentioned above (5.8%), comes in third nationally, trailing only Harvard and Stanford, but not by much.

Tod Howard Hawks CC 66

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: But then ....


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Date Posted: 07:48:50 06/03/17 Sat

Columbia's "selectivity" was enhanced by relying on a binding early admissions program, unlike HYPSM. If you applied early to Columbia, you were FORCED to attend if admitted, and to forced to withdraw all other applications.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: But then ....


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observer
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Date Posted: 16:35:36 06/03/17 Sat

Are Cantabs really so insecure that they need to point this out ad infinitum?

Everyone knows that Harvard is Harvard. Nobody needs to point out the historical "greatness" of the institution. It is what it is.

The thin skinned-ness of Harvard supporters on this board is sometimes funny to watch. You can expect this kind of thirsty bragging from Dukies and NESCAC alums, but Harvard, really?

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[> Subject: Re: U Chicago Reports 2021 Football Recruiting Class


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Date Posted: 08:06:55 06/03/17 Sat

Chicago has not published class of 2021 admission rates or yield, but the blogs are indicating 7.8% and a yield of 75%. If accurate, Chicago’s yield will be below Harvard and Stanford, and roughly equal to Yale and Columbia.

For football players with offers from the six schools below, some context in terms of differences and rankings.


Chicago:
• Only option in Midwest. A special and unique breed of people live in the Midwest.
• Deep & high level commitment to free speech—there will be diversity of conservative and liberal thought debated and discussed. If this frightens students, Chicago a scary choice.
• Economics department of particular renown.

#3 college, national u. tie
#3 biz
#4 law school
#15 medical

Columbia

• Big Apple—“New York, New York”, city so good they named it twice.
• Severe and institutionally supported hostility to diverse thought if such thought includes conservative points of view.

#5 college, national u.
#9 biz
#5 law school
#6 medical

Harvard

• Ever met anyone who has not heard of Harvard?
• Relative to Columbia and Yale, there appears to be some tolerance for conservative ideas, although Cambridge in general sits with Caracas on the political spectrum.

#2 college, national u.
#1 biz (tie)
#3 law school
#1 medical



Penn

• Philly is rarely near the top of any list of “greatest cities” of the world, but the local pride from the cities multi-generational residents is inspiring—those Eagles, Flyers, Phillies, and 76 fans are loyal.
• Trump and Warton are connected brands. In some circles, best or worst possible outcome.


#8 college, national u.
#1 biz (tie)
#7 law school
#5 medical

Yale

• Safety, poverty, homelessness is a clear and present question. Spend 30 minutes at Shake Shack, any day of the week, and any season, and look out window---you be the judge and trust your eyes if you think your child will be safe.
• The radical left polices free speech with authority.

#3 college, national u. tie
#9 biz
#1 law school
#9 medical

Stanford

• Suburban location with “In & Out Burger” dining options. Wonderful weather. Car dependent location without any urban feel at all.
• PAC 12 sports---if you are a “preferred walk on” the question is:
o how much will you “play” college football vs. “practice” college football.
o Would you rather dress for a game vs. UCLA at home and ride the bench, or play in a game vs. Dartmouth or Carnegie Mellon on road.

#5 college, national u.
#4 biz
#2 law school
#2 medical

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[> [> Subject: Re: U Chicago Reports 2021 Football Recruiting Class


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sparman
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Date Posted: 09:19:45 06/03/17 Sat

A good summary, but graduate school ranking should have no effect on undergrad choices.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Stanford


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Date Posted: 10:28:00 06/03/17 Sat

Of Stanford's admits every year, 300 are on athletic scholarships. This helps the yield. HYPM do not award athletic scholarships - only need-based aid.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Stanford


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sparman
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Date Posted: 17:19:21 06/04/17 Sun

Ivy athletic admits help their yield. This is not a "point."

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: BUT ....Re: Stanford


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Date Posted: 11:07:00 06/05/17 Mon

Although all Ivies admit athletes to be sure, that is definitely NOT the same as having 300 full athletic scholarship recipients in each class for whom the yield rate is 100%.

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[> [> Subject: Re: U Chicago Reports 2021 Football Recruiting Class


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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 15:50:58 06/03/17 Sat

Thanks to Parent for insights that are mostly accurate. Agree that grad-prof schools' rankings are not especially relevant, with exception of Wharton influence on Penn thru undergraduate program, and to a somewhat lesser extent Yale Law influence on college experience in New Haven, due to nature of law school curriculum's overlap with Yale's humanities and social science programs. What I am saying is that Yale undergrads end up with a lot of classroom interaction with the profs and students in nation's no. 1 law school, no small advantage for those considering a career in law ( or business, due to legal system influence there).

From Bulldog perspective think that negative take on security situation in New Haven is WAY overblown. Of the schools discussed, Chicago is the one with a safety issue, and neighborhoods in which Harvard, Penn and Columbia are located are hardly oases of calm.

Lastly, I have traveled the world of law and business over the past 30 years, and can assure Parent that, wherever one goes, be it Asia Europe or the developing world, people know the Yale brand very, very well, in a way exceeded perhaps by Harvard's, but not in any material way.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: U Chicago Reports 2021 Football Recruiting Class


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Observer15
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Date Posted: 17:51:42 06/03/17 Sat

W-H-A-T? Chicago is a great school, wonderful academics and they are taking hold to overturn the "where fun goes to die" phrase. I would be glad to see my athlete or non athlete nephews and nieces go there (kids are all other places).

But trust me, Chicago's yield is not anywhere near HYP. That's a smokescreen. Chicago offers TWO Early Decision possibilities EDI and EDII and in each case students are required to attend. Yes, their yield may be through the roof but this is why -a good portion of their class is hooked in. Yes, some students who think they do not have much of a chance to get into HYP (or other Ivies) apply only to Chicago EDI. Or they apply EDII after they are deferred from an Ivy or Stanford because they know they have an advantage and they want that bump.

BUT when Chicago goes head to head with any of HYP (and probably many of the other Ivies as well) they lose - I don't know what the loss would be but I know it is very high, 10-1 or even more. Get THAT statistic if you can.(You won't.) EDI and EDII are a good way to hook in the best students you can when you wish to up your yield.

BTW all ED schools have an advantage over the EA schools in terms of yield so making these sorts of comparisons is not comparing apples to apples. Just PR ridiculousness.

As to potential Big Ten players turning down an offer to go to a DIII school? When pigs fly. I'd endorse it. Again, Chicago is a great and prestigious place and I'll bet a nice place to play competitive DIII football as well. Nice facilities, great academics, high prestige, coming up in the world. But instead of a Big Ten offer? Maybe once in a blue moon. I'll believe it when you give me some examples.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: U Chicago Reports 2021 Football Recruiting Class


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 18:35:31 06/03/17 Sat

If I want to learn about ED, I'll listen to Dr. Ruth, thanks.

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[> Subject: Re: U Chicago Reports 2021 Football Recruiting Class


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Date Posted: 18:54:06 06/08/17 Thu

MIT coaches touting this today. These rankings are often used to recruit top athletes that have the grades/scores to pick from among the best schools in the USA. While 9th in the rankings of Global Universities is not as good as a #3 in USNWR (national university undergraduate rankings) this list sure puts the Maroons in with some good global company. Also, of note-- when competing on the sports side for top recruited student athletes, four of the schools ahead of UChicago on this list do not field varsity sports in the USA. Finally, Princeton, Yale, Columbia, and Penn are all behind Chicago on this list.

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings-articles/world-university-rankings/top-universities-world-2018

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