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Subject: Ivy League Championships


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 23:50:40 06/01/17 Thu

Well, the 2016-17 academic year is over. Here are some numbers to ponder:

Ivy titles won by Brown in past nine years: 8, including four years with none
Ivy titles won by Dartmouth in past eight years: 12, including one year with none
Ivy titles won by Cornell in past three years: 10
Ivy titles won by Columbia and Penn in past three years: 11

Ivy titles won by Harvard this year: 10
Ivy titles won by Harvard in past two years: 20

Ivy titles won by Princeton this year: 11
Ivy titles won by Princeton in past two years: 25

I don't know what the answer is. I'm not even sure what the question is, but these numbers are staggering.

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy League Championships


Author:
Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 06:56:18 06/02/17 Fri

What are Yale's #'s?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy League Championships


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Tiger81
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Date Posted: 08:08:27 06/02/17 Fri

http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/history/championships/IvyLeague/BySchool

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy League Championships


Author:
foehi
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Date Posted: 11:32:35 06/04/17 Sun

all Ivy titles are not equal

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[> Subject: Sears Cup


Author:
Tad
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Date Posted: 07:36:11 06/02/17 Fri

Pr has some ground to catch up here...

Last year at this time, Pr was # 25 with 453 pts, H was # 60 with 242 pts.

This year it's H #38 with 383.5 pts and Pr #50 with 288 pts.

Remaining sports are Lax, Tennis, Golf, Rowing, Track and Field, Softball and Baseball.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Sears Cup


Author:
Tiger81
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Date Posted: 16:32:28 06/20/17 Tue

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/2016-17/misc_non_event/June14DIOverall.pdf

Princeton #46
Harvard #55
Cornell #58
Penn #74
Dartmouth #84
Yale #92
Columbia #107
Brown #159

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Sears Cup


Author:
Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 20:36:03 06/20/17 Tue

Yale should make up some ground once the baseball results are included.

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[> Subject: We discuss this every two years...


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 09:23:01 06/03/17 Sat


If you do a survey of every athletic conference, then chances are that the teams with the largest endowments have also won the most athletic championships.

Really not a mystery...

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[> [> Subject: Re: We discuss this every two years...


Author:
Upper Valley
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Date Posted: 15:09:18 06/04/17 Sun

This is a very interesting theory -- and a credible one. Other things being equal, money matters.

But I would want to see actual data before endorsing the breadth of your theory across conferences.

I notice that, at least in our conference, the relative success of the eight athletic programs almost perfectly follows the order of the schools' US News rankings. Of course, that may not be a coincidence. Other things being equal, money certainly matters in building and maintaining academic excellence.

But my point is that one can look for and find other coincidental or correlated drivers of athletic success besides simply money. Somebody should compile some data on some major conferences as I am sure their fans would find the endowment/athletic success correlation very interesting.

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[> [> [> Subject: Someone else can check...


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 18:38:44 06/04/17 Sun


There are a lot of injustices in the world. But I only have so much energy. I probably should care that Harvard and Princeton are kicking our butts in squash and fencing. But I don't.

That being said, if anyone wants to take a quick gander, looking at the Sears Cup standings probably is a good way to start. How many of the regulars that appear in the standings are in the bottom half of their conferences in terms of endowment?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Dartmouth Against Harvard and Princeton


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 09:20:50 06/15/17 Thu

It is relatively easy to dismiss Harvard and Princeton kicking anyone's butt in squash and fencing. Who cares about those two sports, right?

But I would be curious which "major" sports you believe that Dartmouth is succeeding against Harvard and Princeton. In what sports did the Big Green defeat the Crimson and Tigers this year?

Football? No.
Men's basketball? No.
Lacrosse? No.
Baseball? Batted .500 against both.
Hockey? Mixed, about breakeven.

It's not like losses in squash and fencing have been offset by a lot of success elsewhere.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: How about the 2010s?


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 11:22:36 06/15/17 Thu


We're doing just fine against Princeton in football in the current decade.

Ditto for baseball against Harvard.

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy League Championships


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Sprint66
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Date Posted: 21:27:59 06/05/17 Mon

Ah Go Green....Harvard and Princeton have also been kicking our butts in football too. I predict Princeton will run the table this fall and Harvard will most likely pick up their scraps.

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[> [> Subject: Sprint...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 06:10:48 06/06/17 Tue


Princeton has a grand total of ONE victory over Dartmouth in the 2010s in football.

That's the same number as Columbia.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Sprint...


Author:
Ivy Knowledge
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Date Posted: 07:38:57 06/06/17 Tue

Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Although most recent results have some predictive significance. Dartmouth's first year post-Dalyn is 0-1 against Princeton.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sprint...


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 08:51:55 06/06/17 Tue


I agree with your point in isolation.

But can't we wait until Princeton has two wins--maybe even two wins in a row--against Dartmouth in the 2010s before we start suggesting that Princeton is dominating the Green in football?

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[> [> Subject: unfortunately


Author:
holtsledge
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Date Posted: 10:01:20 06/06/17 Tue

with "Gotta" Lovett and Kanoff both back this might be the year. At least it is in Hanover, the last of the season ending games

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[> [> [> Subject: We will see


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 17:07:32 06/06/17 Tue


Quinn Epperly (and Keith Elias for that matter) had a big mouth, but he was also a heck of a player.

And he never beat Dartmouth (nor did Elias).

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy League Championships


Author:
Sr. Punter
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Date Posted: 18:06:15 06/06/17 Tue

Endowment is a major factor, it dictates FA and supports the "Brand". The AI is just as important a factor.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy League Championships


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 09:38:17 06/07/17 Wed


Presumably, endowment also allows for stuff like building superior facilities, coaches' salaries, etc.

Last I checked (admittedly a while back), Princeton's swimming facility is LOT nicer than Dartmouth's. Harvard is paying Amaker more than Dartmouth is paying McLaughlin, etc.

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy League Championships


Author:
Sprint66
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Date Posted: 21:11:04 06/06/17 Tue

I think the Ivy League system of academic excellence and financial aide based on need worked well for many years, but not so much any more. Today the league is vastly tilted to the high endowment schools and recruiting has become very difficult for the non-HYP schools. It's too bad as it was once a great collegiate sports conference, but kind of sucks now. I still enjoy following Big Red athletics, but being in the bottom half of the league every year is not a lot of fun and our new president Martha Pollack doesn't exactly look like much of a sports fan. Too much time in front of the computer screen.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy League Championships


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Sprint66
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Date Posted: 09:06:00 06/07/17 Wed

Sorry I didn't mean to be critical of our new president Martha Pollack but I heard she is planning to cut another $950k from the athletic budget. More of the same losing year after year.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy League Championships


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Big29Red
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Date Posted: 11:31:13 06/07/17 Wed

Told you guys- she was not going to be Athletics friendly! Coaching hires will be sub-par, to go along w/ a sub-par Football facility. Terrible, for the great alumni who toiled on the athletic fields and venues up in Ithaca!A rich tradition has slowly been eroded and the administration sits idly at the helm; more concerned about gender neutral bathrooms and putting more fannies in the seats of classrooms already filled with too many freshman.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivy League Championships


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Sprint66
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Date Posted: 14:25:09 06/07/17 Wed

The big question how does having bad sports teams impact fund raising?For example last year during Trustee-Council weekend we lost to Princeton 56-7 and the stadium emptied by halftime. Council members are generally some of our biggest donors and many were leaving pissed after that debacle. You would think Cornell would want to have our alums excited not gloomy. Harvard has the largest endowment and they strive to win on and off the field.

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