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Subject: Jonathan Kozol: Savage Inequalities


Author:
Tod Howard Hawks
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Date Posted: 18:58:39 06/11/17 Sun
In reply to: An Observer 's message, "Re: Returning to topic" on 16:44:50 06/11/17 Sun

Germane to this discussion is Jonathan Kozol, a Harvard-educated Rhodes Scholar who has written many provocative books on pressing social issues in America. His first book ever, "Death at an Early Age," about his teaching in a Boston inner-city public school, won the National Book Award.

The book I wish to underscore for this discussion is "Savage Inequalities," which is about the staggering and unconscionable disparities of funding for public schools in different cities across the United States. The enormity of the profound social, educational, and psychological impact these inequalities have on the students who attend these grossly underfunded schools, once understood, will never be forgotten.

Tod Howard Hawks CC 66

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L et V
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Date Posted: 05:18:30 06/12/17 Mon

Wrong. Kozol's first book was a limp novel.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Kozol's "Death at an Early Age"


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Tod Howard Hawks
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Date Posted: 15:53:17 06/12/17 Mon

"Death at an Early Age" was Kozol's first non-fiction book. It did win the National Book Award.

Thanks for the correction.

Tod Howard Hawks CC 66

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Kozol's "Death at an Early Age"


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L et V
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Date Posted: 15:57:06 06/12/17 Mon

Sorry to sound like such a peremptory jerk. Thank you for your polite response.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Kozol's "Death at an Early Age"


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 16:25:41 06/12/17 Mon

THH, I'd like to thank you for your heartfelt response earlier this thread about why you were at Andover. I hope that the first steps you took by going to Columbia were followed by many others.

I've thought about the inequities in local schooling myself. Of course it all hinges on the fundamental decision that we in the United States made that public schooling should be administered and funded purely on a local level. That one decision inevitably creates and sustains gigantic disparities across school districts.

The "business model" I see in affluent suburbs to literally price themselves out of the reach of poor people. With fewer low income families in town, the educational dollars available per student are maximized. The school districts become highly rated and more affluent people want to move there, so their kids can attend those schools. It's a "virtuous" cycle analogous to what the Ivies have created in higher education, with the conspicuous difference that the Ivies offer financial aid to lower income students.

The key to the Darien and New Canaan business model is to have a high quality of life which encourages empty nesters to stay in town after their children have graduated from school. The whole objective is to maximize property values and property taxes while keeping the number of school age children low.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Thanks, An Observer


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Tod Howard Hawks
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Date Posted: 20:12:00 06/12/17 Mon

Thanks, An Observer, for your kind and thoughtful post above.

It is regrettable that there isn't more civil discourse on this Board.

I think you nailed it: public schools are "...funded purely on a local level."

Kozol's "Savage Inequalities" speaks to this issue, but virtually nothing has been done nation-wide to ameliorate this problem.

My Dad paid for Andover and Columbia. I was a beneficiary of of this inequitable condition. I am pleased that all the Ivy schools now offer need-based financial aid.

I have been all my adult life a poet and a human-rights activist--my attempts to make my life meaningful and helpful to others.

I have not been able to change the world, let alone our nation, but every kind act reverberates throughout humankind, whether we know it or not.

Thanks again.

Tod Howard Hawks CC 66

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[> [> [> [> Subject: good point An Obeserver


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 21:51:29 06/12/17 Mon

this fits me to a T
"The key to the Darien and New Canaan business model is to have a high quality of life which encourages empty nesters to stay in town after their children have graduated from school. The whole objective is to maximize property values and property taxes while keeping the number of school age children low."
But the charade is about to end, my modest 3000 sg ft home on a pond that my neighbor and I paid 100k to dredge is worth about what we paid for it after renovations 10 yrs ago. Believe me it is a tres cool location, bull frogs are bellowing as I write this, but my prop taxes will be over 20k and prop insurance is pushing 10K. So what am I going to do, move and declare FL residence like former CT gov Jodie Rell and stop paying for the ridiculous union benefits that have turned CT into pseudo union welfare state. The hell with ASFME and SEIU. Oh btw save 7% in state income taxes. Biggest problem is having to change the addresses on my concealed carry permits from 31 states, have gun will travel

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: It all makes sense now, Holtsie....


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Jackson Hatfield
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Date Posted: 07:55:05 06/15/17 Thu

...I had previously ascribed that telling bulge beneath your clothing to an entirely different source!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: made me laugh


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 14:39:37 06/15/17 Thu

see you in the fall

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