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Subject: Re: 150th College Football "Celebration"


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Unknown
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Date Posted: 11:48:01 06/28/17 Wed
In reply to: Son of Eli 's message, "150th College Football "Celebration"" on 11:16:58 06/28/17 Wed

Even a great Princeton team could not defeat a terrible Rutgers team. Rutgers beat Howard 52-14 last season and I would expect a similar outcome against the Tigers. Surace would risk his reputation and the players' health if he were to schedule that contest.

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[> [> Subject: Not So


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 12:11:43 06/28/17 Wed

The USA Today Sagarin rankings have 128th ranked Princeton beating Rutgers last year by two points if game was played at #156 ranked Rutgers. Meanwhile Howard is ranked #247. Click enter full site using link below:

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Not So


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Unknown
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Date Posted: 12:20:56 06/28/17 Wed

Rutgers also beat New Mexico, a 9-4 squad that was ranked #76 on Sagarin. I see a number of teams ranked below Princeton on that list that would beat them: Connecticut, Montana, UNLV, Grambling State, Rice, UTEP etc.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Not So


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 12:22:48 06/28/17 Wed

I guess you know something Sagarin doesn't then.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Not So


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 12:27:18 06/28/17 Wed

Of course, just because Sagarin says that Team A will beat Team B does not mean that it will happen. But, overall, Sagarin's track record is excellent. Let's put it this way: His error distribution is normally shaped around his predicted outcome. That's all you can really ask of a statistician.

Princeton 2016 may not have beaten Rutgers 2016 at New Brunswick. But, because of Sagarin's calculations, I feel very confident in saying that it would have been a competitive game.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Not So


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Son of Elin
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Date Posted: 12:35:47 06/28/17 Wed

And btw, was the Howard coach fired after losing this game? I think his reputation is intact. Surace's reputation is damaged more by declining this game than by getting defeated on the field, regardless of the score.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: You might be Elin's son


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 15:44:46 06/28/17 Wed

But is Tiger Woods your daddy?

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[> [> Subject: Re: 150th College Football "Celebration"


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 12:39:08 06/28/17 Wed

The attitude of poster "Unknown" is why Surace would not be risking his reputation or that of Princeton football if he schedules Rutgers. The casual fan would expect any member of any Power Five conference to easily defeat any FCS team, to say nothing of an Ivy League team, which of course just screams "pocket protector."

But the serious fan should know that the top teams in the Ivy League, as determined over a few years rather than necessarily any given single season, are as good as the very bottom of the Power Five conferences.

And right now, Rutgers is at the very bottom of the Power Five conferences.

The only real risk that I see for Surace and Princeton is injuries. That's why it makes sense to play the commemorative Princeton-Rutgers game on the FIRST Saturday of the 2019 season, in late August. Princeton players would have four weeks to heal dings and nicks before their second game of the season in late September.

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[> [> Subject: Princeton vs Rutgers


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al's wingman
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Date Posted: 13:23:36 06/28/17 Wed

There is another thread here that discusses the potential matchup more in depth but bottom line is you never know. Despite having scholarship talent Rutgers has fielded some incredibly bad teams. When guys are not motivated or dysfunction prevails, that opens the door for anything.

Princeton may very well have a shot in such a game though I do agree with Surace, no reason to risk injury against more physically inclined opponents.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Princeton vs Rutgers


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 15:02:47 06/28/17 Wed

Here's an idea following that logic, Surace can start playing Division III teams. That wil cut down on the chance of injury to his players.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Princeton vs Rutgers


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 15:17:58 06/28/17 Wed


How many of the 1986 Princeton guys ended up in the hospital after playing Northwestern?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Princeton vs Rutgers


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 15:30:25 06/28/17 Wed

Good point. And the 2016 Princeton team is much bigger and better than the 1986 team.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Princeton vs Rutgers


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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 01:33:28 06/29/17 Thu

You don't have to end up in the hospital to get beat up. On the average, very few players in any games end up in the hospital so that's a stupid comment. If you understood what it takes athletically to compete in games then maybe we can talk about logic. Princeton vs Rutgers is not a meaningful exercise in football. Good scheduling is one criteria for good leadership.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Yeah...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 07:52:34 06/29/17 Thu


I only own three Ivy League championship rings. What do I know about competing?

Playing Rutgers is not materially different from playing UNH, Villanova, or Army.

Is Rutgers a step up from the PFL? Sure. But it's not like they're the Patriots...

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Yeah...


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 09:24:24 06/29/17 Thu

Way to go Go Green!

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[> [> Subject: Re: 150th College Football "Celebration"


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Unknown
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Date Posted: 18:40:03 06/28/17 Wed

I'd like to see the matchup just to witness somebody finally smash Lovett.

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[> [> [> Subject: Why?


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 20:28:03 06/28/17 Wed


He hasn't said anything even remotely obnoxious.

At least not to the press...

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: 150th College Football "Celebration"


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Eastern Sports Fan
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Date Posted: 16:46:59 06/30/17 Fri

Bet Princeton can beat Rutgers in soccer, and that's what they're celebrating on the 150th anyway.

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