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Subject: Old Rivalries Never Die, They Just Simply Fade Away


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 10:17:53 07/04/17 Tue
In reply to: YALE OL 's message, "Could the Y/H rivalry ever die out?" on 22:59:33 07/03/17 Mon

The fact that the rivalry has survived a nine game winning steak by Harvard is a testament to ithe rivalries strong roots in the nations's zeitgeist. In fact, it's actually getting stronger considering there were Yale-Harvard games in the 90' s that drew in the 20-30k's in New Haven. I consider the 90's the nadir of Ivy League Football, certainly of Yale Football.

That said sports attendance in general is in decline due to various factors, some of which you already mentioned. There are serious headwinds to maintaining attendance over 50,000, most notably an aging fan base and easier options to watch the game at home.

In order to preserve this storied tradition it is up to all of us passionate fans to get to The Game and drag as many people along with us. I bought six people with me to last years' game and they all had a great time. 5 of the 6 had never been to a Yale-Harvard game before. Four were Millenials. That's how we keep it going. Otherwise like old generals it will fade away.

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[> [> Subject: What was wrong with the 1990s?


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 11:31:24 07/04/17 Tue


Just because Harvard and Yale were weak doesn't mean that the rest of the league wasn't having fun.

I mean, the 1980s had The Streak.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: What was wrong with the 1990s?


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 11:51:28 07/04/17 Tue

Seems to me the Ivy League was in in decline for the entire decade in terms of national interest and player recruitment. That's when the FCS downgrade really began to take its toll. Since 2000 those trends started to reverse, thanks to deregulated financial aid. 90's Ivy League football was closer to Division III in quality than FBS football. Today it is closer to FBS quality than Division III.

The diversity of today's teams vs the teams of the 90's tells they story. The 90's teams were for the most part lily white. It looked like prep school football. Today's squads draw from all over the country, and with greatly increased financial aid, from all economic demographics. This increased talent pool makes for higher quality football.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What was wrong with the 1990s?


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 12:44:15 07/04/17 Tue

The 80's had signiture wins, like Yale beating Air Force and Navy, Harvard beating Army and Penn beating Navy. I can't think of any significant out of conference signature win in the 90's, except maybe Yale beating UConn in 94.

In terms of the 80's loss to division 3, are your referring to basketball or football? The only loss I know is Princeton losing in basketball to a D3 school. I think it was Oberlin.

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[> [> [> Subject: Except that


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 12:35:41 07/04/17 Tue


By the 1990s, the Ivy teams got the hang of the AI. Not so in the 1980s when teams took a dive when they implemented their full AI allotment (Dartmouth, Yale, Columbia and eventually Penn).

As for D-III, the 1980s actually saw the Ivy lose to a D-III team. Even without know which team got that dishonor, most would be able to take a guess who the culprit was. While we certainly had weak teams in the 1990s, we didn't have any national punchlines the way the 1980s did.

I won't dispute that the talent level has risen in the past 10 years or so. All you have to do is look at the number of Ivy players in NFL camps to confirm that.

But, IMHO, if you're talking about the nadir of Ivy football, the 1980s should be tops on your list. Not unrelated, there is zero dispute that the 1980s were the nadir for Ivy basketball.

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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 13:11:35 07/04/17 Tue

The 80's had signiture wins, like Yale beating Air Force and Navy, Harvard beating Army and Penn beating Navy. I can't think of any significant out of conference signature win in the 90's, except maybe Yale beating UConn in 94.

In terms of the 80's loss to division 3, are your referring to basketball or football? The only loss I know is Princeton losing in basketball to a D3 school. I think it was Oberlin.
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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Football


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 16:24:21 07/04/17 Tue


http://www.nytimes.com/1986/11/02/sports/college-football-columbia-up-by-14-at-halftime-is-beaten-again.html?mcubz=0

The 1980s also featured games against powerhouses such as Morgan State and Merchant Marine. Happily, those were victories.

:)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Football


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 18:50:54 07/04/17 Tue

Let's hope Penn beats Ohio Dominican so we don't have a repeat of that embarrassment.

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