VoyForums

VoyUser Login optional ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 12345678910 ]
Subject: Re: Could the Y/H rivalry ever die out?


Author:
Bulldogs1234
[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]
Date Posted: 00:25:25 07/07/17 Fri
In reply to: YALE OL 's message, "Could the Y/H rivalry ever die out?" on 22:59:33 07/03/17 Mon

As a young alum, I can say The Game won't die.

It's a mini-reunion of sorts for the people that do come the game itself, and the Harvard rivalry evokes some enthusiasm.

However, to fill up the seats, you need more than just alumni interested in watching. Yale graduates only around 1200 per year, a substantial number of whom can't tell the defense apart from the offense. Every major program such as Duke and Syracuse have significant local "townie" followings, people who follow the program even if they aren't actually affiliated.

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:
[> [> Subject: Re: Could the Y/H rivalry ever die out?


Author:
Son of Eli
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 00:42:16 07/07/17 Fri

If the Ivy League wants to grow local fan support good places to start would be participating in the FCS playoffs, scheduling the occasional FBS opponent and going to an 11 game schedule. An insular league is not appealing to unaffiliated local sports fans.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Could the Y/H rivalry ever die out?


Author:
Bill
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 08:54:19 07/07/17 Fri

True, but it won't happen. Unfortunately.

I would settle for better coverage, better marketing, better social media, better You tube. HYPE

Have events such as a mini concert, contests, giveaways. Cast a larger net of experiences. Not everyone is a sports fan. Do more rivalry contests pitting Yale vs. Harvard. I don't know, have drone races. Create an event where more people want to experience. Make it a "must not miss" experience.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Could the Y/H rivalry ever die out?


Author:
Memphis Bill
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 09:38:41 07/07/17 Fri

Think that posters make some good points, but here are some others to ponder: As per my point that HY is a big reunion of tens of thousands of people who have much invested in their schools' brands, and The Game becomes a platform from which to engage in a form of boasting, the comment about small alumni fan bases is somewhat msleading. H and Y are large universities with six-figure alumni bodies, Yale probably has 50,000 alums living in Boston-D.C. corridor, Harvard twice that, there are plenty of bodies to fill the Bowl, even without much town support. I know of many folks with Yale grad degrees who come to see the Harvard game when it's in NH. Attendance at the one championship showdown game in the Bowl of the past twenty (thirty?) years, the 2007 blowout by Harvard, was attended by 57,248 according to NY Times report. That game had party buses coming up from Manhattan sponsored by the big banks. I am sure that had the revelers not figured out in the first five or ten minutes that the contest was going to be a blowout, the walk in sales would have pushed attendance over 60k. There were, it was estimated, close to 80,000 in the parking lots and the Bowl that day. I know for a fact that the New Haven fire department was concerned that standing room sales on the track around the top of the Bowl would push attendance to 70k, an amount the Bowl is no longer designed to hold.

In sum, if Yale can get back to Cozza-era levels of achievement in the League, I am confident that we shall see a sellout of the Yale Bowl, and The Game will continue as one of the premier sporting events in New England.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Could the Y/H rivalry ever die out?


Author:
Son of Eli
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 14:48:58 07/07/17 Fri

That's a good point. The 2007 game was over by the end of the first half. That goes down in my book as the worse loss in Yale football history. A total embarrassment for a 9-0 team to suffer at home. It was so one sided it looked like Harvard had stolen Yale's playbook.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> Subject: Re: Could the Y/H rivalry ever die out?


Author:
John Harvard
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 11:06:00 07/07/17 Fri

Aside from The Game, the Rivalry continues in other sports as well. Hockey, Basketball and Crew certainly count HY as among perennial title contenders.

ILDN and other television coverage is absolutely having a negative effect on attendance. The concept that increased coverage can sustain the Rivalry may be true, but other than The Game or a scenario such as the basketball playoff at the Palestra in 2015 (NOT 2017), don't expect it to be reflected in the stands.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Could the Y/H rivalry ever die out?


Author:
Old Blue
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 14:27:26 07/07/17 Fri

Gentlemen; may i dare say for the record the two most recent crowds over 700000 in the bowl were 73000 in 1981 and 70000 in 1983 where i was in attendance. This would be hard to achieve now the official seating capacity is 61446. largest crowd vs the cadets 80000 in 1923 i was not in attendance.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Could the Y/H rivalry ever die out?


Author:
Memphis Bill
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 15:04:49 07/07/17 Fri

To augment Old Blue's report, let me say that I was present in the Bowl for the 1964 Princeton game, attendance 64,000, and the 1970 Dartmouth game (60,000), back in the happy days when the rivalry with the Johnnies was not the only high-profile challenge on the Bulldog's plate. Those two ancient rivals (as well as Cornell) were games that always drew well in New Haven, right up to the time of the proliferation of TV football offerings on Saturday afternoons. However, it took real malice aforethought to cripple such competitive and interesting matchups to the point that exists today, when even a Princeton game has a hard time drawing more than 20,000 to what the NY Times used to call "the immense blue oval."

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Princeton-Yale 2006


Author:
bulldog10jw
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 17:00:52 07/07/17 Fri

43k in attendance.

It can happen if both teams are good which doesn't seem to happen often.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Princeton-Yale 2006


Author:
Memphis Bill
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 17:15:58 07/07/17 Fri

Agree that this could happen, and the series could revive. One of the all-time great college football rivalries. The Yale streak 1967-80, and having very anti-football Presidents in the persons of Giamatti and Bowen, reduced a red letter date on many alums' calendars to a humdrum, ordinary game. What a pity!

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Princeton-Yale 2006


Author:
An Observer
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 21:16:16 07/07/17 Fri

Yes, the long Yale streak negatively impacted the Y-P rivalry, which is why it was doubly a relief that the Bulldogs beat the Crimson last year. A long losing streak does not help a rivalry.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]


VoyUser Login ] Not required to post.
Post a public reply to this message | Go post a new public message
* HTML allowed in marked fields.
* Message subject (required):

Name (required):

  Expression (Optional mood/title along with your name) Examples: (happy, sad, The Joyful, etc.) help)

  E-mail address (optional):

* Type your message here:


Notice: Copies of your message may remain on this and other systems on internet. Please be respectful.

[ Contact Forum Admin ]


Forum timezone: GMT-5
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2016 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.