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Subject: A Salute to Paul Robeson, Rutgers All-America Football Player (1919)


Author:
Tod Howard Hawks
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Date Posted: 15:58:38 07/09/17 Sun

I invite all of you to read a bio of Paul Robeson on the Internet.

If you are not already familiar with him, you will learn, among many other things, that he was also Valedictorian of his class, that he was a graduate of Columbia Law School, that he was a civil-rights activist of oppressed people around the world, that he was a world-famous singer and actor, that he was an African-American who suffered throughout his life the pernicious effects of racism in our country.

Today, any Ivy League university would fight like hell to have him matriculate to its undergraduate school.

Tod Howard Hawks CC 66

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[> Subject: Re: A Salute to Paul Robeson, Rutgers All-America Football Player (1919)


Author:
joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 18:11:37 07/09/17 Sun

Robeson grew up in a parsonage two blocks from the front gate of Princeton University. His father graduated from Lincoln University, whose president (and his mentor) graduated from Princeton in 1852.

During Robeson's years at Rutgers, which he achieved on a statewide competitive exam, one other black student was on campus. A consensus football All-American, he was held out of a HOME game against Washington & Lee at the insistence of the visitors. His proudest moment at Rutgers was a 5-1 baseball victory in the one game he played against the Tigers. A world-class bass (listen to some of his recordings on YouTube), he was allowed to sing in the Glee Club, but not to go to their year-end banquet.

After his graduation from Columbia Law, he quit his first and only position at a law firm because none of the secretaries would take his dictation, and none of the partners would demand it. And so he headed for the stage.

Heed Tod's advice, and heed it well.

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[> Subject: Re: A Salute to Paul Robeson, Rutgers All-America Football Player (1919)


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Ivy Voyeur
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Date Posted: 19:23:54 07/09/17 Sun

If you go on YouTube, you can find a video of Robeson singing "Old Man River" from the musical Riverboat. Well worth a listen. Remarkable talent.

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[> [> Subject: Re: A Salute to Paul Robeson, Rutgers All-America Football Player (1919)


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 19:46:59 07/09/17 Sun


Pretty sure it was "Show Boat."

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[> [> Subject: Re: A Salute to Paul Robeson, Rutgers All-America Football Player (1919)


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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 20:43:08 07/09/17 Sun

With all respect to Kern & Hammerstein, also listen to the great spirituals Let My People Go and Deep River. Utterly devastating.

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[> Subject: Re: A Salute to Paul Robeson, Rutgers All-America Football Player (1919)


Author:
remember it well
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Date Posted: 19:46:35 07/09/17 Sun

One of the most remarkable and talented Americans of the 20th century. A man who never received the renown and stature he deserved. Surprised Hollywood movie studios haven't done a biopic on him yet.

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[> [> Subject: Re: A Salute to Paul Robeson, Rutgers All-America Football Player (1919)


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remember it well
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Date Posted: 20:57:41 07/09/17 Sun

Yes the big mistake that ruined him. Another reason why it would seem to make for a good movie script.

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[> Subject: A courageous, fascinating Stalinist


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Diogenes
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Date Posted: 20:00:40 07/09/17 Sun

Robeson's famous eulogy of Stalin was entitled:

"To You Beloved Comrade"

The Communists awarded Robeson the Stalin Peace Prize.

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[> [> Subject: Re: A courageous, fascinating Stalinist


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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 20:45:32 07/09/17 Sun

It seems to be an unresolved question as to whether J. Edgar Hoover's file on Robeson preceded or followed his fascination with Stalin.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: A courageous, fascinating Stalinist


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Tod Howard Hawks
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Date Posted: 21:43:58 07/09/17 Sun

J. Edgar Hoover, arguably America's foremost fascist, founded the FBI in 1935 and ran it until his death in 1972, keeping files on tens of thousands of Americans along the way, including one on Robeson.

Moreover, Joe McCarthy, who established the House Un-American Activities Committee, had Nixon on his staff and was also close to the Kennedy family. Columbia College alumnus Roy Cohn was to become McCarthy's chief attorney.

McCarthy blacklisted Robeson for five years.

Tod Howard Hawks CC 66

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A courageous, fascinating Stalinist


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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 09:32:51 07/10/17 Mon

Let us stipulate that Paul Robeson was an immensely talented man, who suffered horrible discrimination due to racism for pretty much his entire adult life. Let us also agree that McCarthyism was a stain on the land, a series of wild reckless charges that ruined many lives and careers.

That being said, facts are facts. J. Edgar Hoover actually got his start in the Justice Department Bureau of Investigation in the early twenties and helped supervise the Red Scare hunts of that time. He took over as Bureau head in '24, and renamed it the FBI in 1935.

McCarthy was never a part of HUAC, he ran for Senate in '46, defeating Robert LaFollette. McCarthy came to anti-communism late, well after Nixon's successful investigation into Alger Hiss's espionage activities in the late 40's. The Junior Senator from Wisconsin was looking for an issue to get himself re-elected, so in 1950, well after Nixon making his name and well after Paul Robeson's profession of support for Stalin, McCarthy delivered his famous speech in West Virginia saying that he held in his hand a list of more than 200 communists employed in the state department, run at that time by a great Yale man, Dean Acheson. McCarthy recklessly accused the Secretary of State of communist sympathies and worse.

When McCarthy sank into fatal alcoholism after his censure by the Senate, he was replaced as Wisconsin's junior Senator by William Proxmire, who played end on Yale's teams in the 1930's and went on to serve Wisconsin for more than two decades.

Robeson was not the only talented, high profile American to support one of history's most brutal dictatorships, and perhaps what he suffered is a substantial excuse not possessed by other fellow travelers such as Lillian Hellman and her ilk.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A courageous, fascinating Stalinist


Author:
Old Lion (McCarthy's start)
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Date Posted: 13:13:18 07/10/17 Mon

McCarthy's first splash was going to bat for the SS troopers who were convicted as war criminals in the infamous Malmedy massacre at the beginning of the Battle of the Bulge. He did so at the behest of a constituent by the name of Harnischfeger, a Nazi sympathizer of immense wealth and influence. When McCarthy attacked the great George Marshall Ike stood silently by, to his great discredit. As far as Roy Cohn, he is not one of Columbia's favorite graduates. One of his clients, of course, was Donald Trump.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A courageous, fascinating Stalinist


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 14:04:39 07/10/17 Mon

Speaking of a high profile American who supports a brutal Russian dictatorship. . . .

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A courageous, fascinating Stalinist


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The Lion (To "An Observer")
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Date Posted: 22:41:31 07/18/17 Tue

That could be FDR, who gave away most of Europe to Stalin for NO good reason whatsoever as World War 2 was ending. But since you put it in the present tense, you must mean any one of the present-day "Democrats" who've been "colluding"
with Russia and Putin, like Bill (Monica Lewinsky) Clinton, who gave a speech in Moscow TODAY for a $500,000 bribe from the "brutal Russian dictatorship" you mentioned.

And why not since the U.S. Democrat Party has been an open agent of the Communist International Conspiracy since the Soviet Revolution 100 years ago.

Or you could be referring to John Kerry, a nauseating communist collaborator during and since the Vietnam War, or just plain nauseating Hillary, apparently a Maoist since she wears his pantsuits, but she'll take or give a bribe to any communist, or gun-runner or jihadist.

And then there's the worst president in history, of ANY country, Barack Obama, who rode the communist underground railroad right through 116th St. to the White House.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Not to imply that the rest of your post had merit, but...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 08:42:23 07/19/17 Wed


Stepping into the time machine and setting the coordinates for Yalta circa early 1945....

What exactly do you think FDR should have done? Neither the US nor England was in a position to engage the Red Army when the Nazis fell and there was still the matter of the Pacific to worry about...

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Of course...


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 15:07:46 07/10/17 Mon


Hoover and McCarthy were too chicken to go after Helen Keller (Radcliffe. '04), who certainly espoused communist sympathies with the best of them.

:)

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[> Subject: "A Mistake?"


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Observer
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Date Posted: 11:04:15 07/10/17 Mon

He was a communist and a big fan of the brutal dictator, Stalin.

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[> [> Subject: Another "Mistake?"


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Observer
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Date Posted: 11:27:47 07/10/17 Mon

In 1952, Robeson was awarded the Stalin Peace Prize. In April 1953, shortly after Joseph Stalin's death he wrote a eulogy entitled To You Beloved Comrade, in the New World Review, in which he praised Stalin's "deep humanity," "wise understanding," and dedication to peaceful co-existence with all peoples of the world calling him "wise and good." He also praised Stalin as a man that the world was fortunate to have for daily guidance: "Through his [Stalin's] deep humanity, by his wise understanding, he leaves us a rich and monumental heritage."

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[> [> Subject: Re: "A Mistake?"


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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 15:35:18 07/10/17 Mon

Not that we don't know the answer, Big O, but do you ever read anything other people write?

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[> [> [> Subject: Sure


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sparman
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Date Posted: 20:06:16 07/10/17 Mon

If it involves a Harvard recruit.

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[> Subject: Re: A Salute to Paul Robeson, Rutgers All-America Football Player (1919)


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 15:24:40 07/10/17 Mon

Seems to me the Board has drifted into "admin message deletion" territory, if Holtsie's prior experience is any guide.

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[> [> Subject: I was just thinking that


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 16:24:27 07/10/17 Mon

thanks for not being silent Cal

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[> Subject: interesting definition


Author:
holtsledge
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Date Posted: 16:28:26 07/10/17 Mon

of Old Man River from the Urban dictionary
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=old%20man%20river

that's the post that will get deleted LOL

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