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Subject: Re: A courageous, fascinating Stalinist

Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 09:32:51 07/10/17 Mon
In reply to: Tod Howard Hawks 's message, "Re: A courageous, fascinating Stalinist" on 21:43:58 07/09/17 Sun

Let us stipulate that Paul Robeson was an immensely talented man, who suffered horrible discrimination due to racism for pretty much his entire adult life. Let us also agree that McCarthyism was a stain on the land, a series of wild reckless charges that ruined many lives and careers.

That being said, facts are facts. J. Edgar Hoover actually got his start in the Justice Department Bureau of Investigation in the early twenties and helped supervise the Red Scare hunts of that time. He took over as Bureau head in '24, and renamed it the FBI in 1935.

McCarthy was never a part of HUAC, he ran for Senate in '46, defeating Robert LaFollette. McCarthy came to anti-communism late, well after Nixon's successful investigation into Alger Hiss's espionage activities in the late 40's. The Junior Senator from Wisconsin was looking for an issue to get himself re-elected, so in 1950, well after Nixon making his name and well after Paul Robeson's profession of support for Stalin, McCarthy delivered his famous speech in West Virginia saying that he held in his hand a list of more than 200 communists employed in the state department, run at that time by a great Yale man, Dean Acheson. McCarthy recklessly accused the Secretary of State of communist sympathies and worse.

When McCarthy sank into fatal alcoholism after his censure by the Senate, he was replaced as Wisconsin's junior Senator by William Proxmire, who played end on Yale's teams in the 1930's and went on to serve Wisconsin for more than two decades.

Robeson was not the only talented, high profile American to support one of history's most brutal dictatorships, and perhaps what he suffered is a substantial excuse not possessed by other fellow travelers such as Lillian Hellman and her ilk.

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Old Lion (McCarthy's start)
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Date Posted: 13:13:18 07/10/17 Mon

McCarthy's first splash was going to bat for the SS troopers who were convicted as war criminals in the infamous Malmedy massacre at the beginning of the Battle of the Bulge. He did so at the behest of a constituent by the name of Harnischfeger, a Nazi sympathizer of immense wealth and influence. When McCarthy attacked the great George Marshall Ike stood silently by, to his great discredit. As far as Roy Cohn, he is not one of Columbia's favorite graduates. One of his clients, of course, was Donald Trump.

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An Observer
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Date Posted: 14:04:39 07/10/17 Mon

Speaking of a high profile American who supports a brutal Russian dictatorship. . . .

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The Lion (To "An Observer")
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Date Posted: 22:41:31 07/18/17 Tue

That could be FDR, who gave away most of Europe to Stalin for NO good reason whatsoever as World War 2 was ending. But since you put it in the present tense, you must mean any one of the present-day "Democrats" who've been "colluding"
with Russia and Putin, like Bill (Monica Lewinsky) Clinton, who gave a speech in Moscow TODAY for a $500,000 bribe from the "brutal Russian dictatorship" you mentioned.

And why not since the U.S. Democrat Party has been an open agent of the Communist International Conspiracy since the Soviet Revolution 100 years ago.

Or you could be referring to John Kerry, a nauseating communist collaborator during and since the Vietnam War, or just plain nauseating Hillary, apparently a Maoist since she wears his pantsuits, but she'll take or give a bribe to any communist, or gun-runner or jihadist.

And then there's the worst president in history, of ANY country, Barack Obama, who rode the communist underground railroad right through 116th St. to the White House.

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Go Green
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Date Posted: 08:42:23 07/19/17 Wed

Stepping into the time machine and setting the coordinates for Yalta circa early 1945....

What exactly do you think FDR should have done? Neither the US nor England was in a position to engage the Red Army when the Nazis fell and there was still the matter of the Pacific to worry about...

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