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Date Posted: 09:36:58 07/12/17 Wed
In reply to: Go Green 's message, "Penn kind of has to..." on 14:17:46 07/11/17 Tue

Because you seem to comment on everything, it's not unusual that you occasionally miss the mark.

Yes - Princeton admissions did reject Kyle Wilcox, but not because he wasn't academically qualified. Princeton is clearly entitled to make its own admission's decisions, but, for the record, everyone should understand that that decision was not made because Kyle was a low bander that couldn't be squeezed into their football recruiting class.

Princeton's rationale in rejecting Kyle was that he emerged from the foster care system and was under the legal guardianship of his brother who had just reached majority age. For whatever reason, Princeton determined that Kyle's unusual support system threatened his ability to succeed as a Princeton student. That clearly is their right, although best guess is that there are lots of Ivy admits that come from dysfunctional homes and the same judgement could have been made.

Kyle graduated from Penn with a double major in Chemical Engineering and Asian Studies, received the prestigious Fox Leadership Fellowship and earned his Masters Degree in Electrical Engineering, also at Penn. He currently works as a software developer.

So with hindsight, it is fairly easy to pass judgement on the relative decision making done by both schools - but - we shouldn't think for a second that this player was a low AI admit or that his performance both on the field and in the classroom didn't support the judgement of the Princeton football staff, who actually knew the individual and understood the obstacles he faced growing up and pressed for his admission. Nor should the judgement of Penn admissions be questioned on this one, for, while every school makes some bad calls, Penn got this one right.

The name Kyle Wilcox should have never appeared in this thread. Every Ivy student or grad should aspire to have the grit and the character and ability this young man has demonstrated in everything he has achieved despite having significant hurdles to leap over that most of us never have had to.

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Date Posted: 10:13:47 07/12/17 Wed

Helps illuminate the complex decisions most of us never fully see.

I can't fault Princeton for deciding how to allocate its resources among many worthy competing demands based on information they had. I expect the class had a full share of "risks", whether sports related or not. I can only applaud Penn, and most importantly this young person, for granting and making the most of the opportunity.

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Date Posted: 10:36:10 07/12/17 Wed

Perhaps it was unfair to cite Wilcox, and I also am gladdened to hear that all worked out to him.

I assume that you don't dispute the larger point, though--namely, that BCCDP can get guys that would not pass admission at HYP?

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Date Posted: 10:42:09 07/12/17 Wed

AsiaSunset, you raise a good point. For those of us actively involved the admissions process, you will discover many surprises in admissions decision processes, as well as many students like Kyle Wilcox who flourish in college once they are given the resources offered by the Ivy experiences. Our admissions offices overall do a remarkable job. Thanks for this insight.

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Date Posted: 17:15:51 07/13/17 Thu

I do dispute the premise that HYP are more difficult from an admission standpoint for football players. It is true that schools with a wider band 1 are theoretically at a disadvantage but you have to remember that those schools can pick whom they want for the two slots. Therefore it cannot be said that a third kid who is a band 2 at one or more of the other schools could not be admitted to HYP. He could easily be admitted in Band 1 if the coaches wanted
I agree that Wilcox is a bad example to show that HYP Is more rigorous than the other schools regarding admissions

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Date Posted: 18:55:14 07/20/17 Thu

You are wrong that schools with a higher AI are not more difficult for a coach in football admissions than a school with a lower AI. Forcing a school to admit only two out of three recruits it wants while another school can admit all three is an obvious reflection of the higher AI at the former school and this is purely an academic standard. The same thing happens to a degree across higher bands.

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