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Subject: Harvard basketball players are smart.


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Observer
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Date Posted: 16:09:25 07/12/17 Wed

http://www.gocrimson.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20170711fwj945

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[> Subject: Re: Harvard basketball players are smart.


Author:
Diogenes
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Date Posted: 22:22:09 07/12/17 Wed

HYP & Columbia made the list. Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth & Penn didn't.

Notice anything?

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[> [> Subject: What I Notice


Author:
Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 07:30:45 07/13/17 Thu

What I notice is that the basketball team, the baseball team and many other Ivy League teams are receiving awards for acedemic performance while being allowed to particiate in post season play. It belies the argument that the football post season ban is necessary for acedemic success.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Harvard basketball players are smart.


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KC
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Date Posted: 20:59:45 07/13/17 Thu

Yes. Grade inflation endures at HYP.

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[> Subject: 4 years in a row for Harvard and Yale


Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 23:03:32 07/12/17 Wed


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[> Subject: Perhaps alternatively


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 08:47:55 07/13/17 Thu

They sign up for "Introduction to Congress" and "Introduction to Computer Science I".

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/02/education/harvard-forced-dozens-to-leave-in-cheating-scandal.html

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/5/3/cs50-cheating-cases-2017/

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[> [> Subject: Dartmouth should bring back Ballet


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 09:37:51 07/13/17 Thu


http://www.nytimes.com/1991/11/17/nyregion/campus-life-dartmouth-these-athletes-get-up-on-tiptoes-before-the-games.html?mcubz=1

I got an "A."

:)

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Dartmouth should bring back Ballet


Author:
L et V
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Date Posted: 10:22:06 07/13/17 Thu

I love the caption, "Harvard basketball players are smart." Reminds me of Nixon's "I am not a crook."

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Isn't the implication of the headline


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 19:39:36 07/13/17 Thu

That this is atypical of Harvard students? Or of other Harvard athletes? Or that this is a change for basketball players from times past?

Who else among us feels it necessary to post on an ivy board that his fellow schoolmates are supposedly smart?

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[> [> Subject: Sure you love it. You're a bitter Yalie!


Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 11:30:38 07/13/17 Thu


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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Sure you love it. You're a bitter Yalie!


Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 13:56:25 07/13/17 Thu

A "delifghful embarrassment" in fact!

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[> Subject: Re: Harvard basketball players are smart.


Author:
Uptown
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Date Posted: 11:45:44 07/13/17 Thu

Introduction to Congress? Seriously?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Harvard basketball players are smart.


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L et V
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Date Posted: 12:13:41 07/13/17 Thu

Poor O; if he didn't exist we'd have to invent him. Such a delifghful embarrassment to the school to which he implies he's affiliated. Wonder how he sugars off on today's big news on H's clubs. Great tempest; great teapot.

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[> [> Subject: L et V ....


Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 13:54:20 07/13/17 Thu

.... "Such a delifghful embarrassment" to the Home of the Hamburger.

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[> Subject: Re: Harvard basketball players are smart.


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John Harvard
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Date Posted: 22:08:58 07/13/17 Thu

HYP + C is predictable and consistent with the fundamental math between their AI floors/calculations. By rule, HYP + C have to recruit to higher AI standards than their brethren.

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[> Subject: Re: Harvard basketball players are smart. BUT they weren't smart four years ago.


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 00:06:25 07/14/17 Fri

The Harvard men's basketball team is to be commended for earning an academic excellence award. They are to be further commended for receiving four in a row.

But in the interest of the full context, it should be noted that, immediately before beginning a streak of four years with academic accolades, the Harvard basketball team had such a low team Academic Progress Rate that, had it continued for two more years, the Crimson would have been deemed ineligible to participate in postseason tournaments, per NCAA rules. No other Ivy basketball program has ever been in danger of being disqualified due to NCAA academic underperformance.

At the time, the Harvard men's basketball team had the lowest APR of any single varsity team in the Ivy League, with the exception of Penn men's fencing and some of those fencers are Eastern Europeans who don't speak English as a first language.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Harvard basketball players are smart. BUT they weren't smart four years ago.


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John Harvard
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Date Posted: 00:26:23 07/14/17 Fri

Wasn't that due to the Intro to Congress suspensions. If so, that makes your comparison an easily explainable anomaly.

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[> [> [> Subject: Harvard APRs Crashed BEFORE The Cheating Scandal


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 23:37:04 07/18/17 Tue

JH, yours is a reasonable hypothesis. But the data actually shows that Harvard's Academic Progress Rating began to fall dramatically in 2011, before really accelerating downward in 2012. The Introduction to Congress scandal affected the 2013 season and the three seasons afterward, as the numbers are now reported as rolling four-year averages.

Note that there are two sources of grade inflation here:

First, the scale up to 1000 is a joke, as 930 is a failing grade which precludes participation in NCAA postseason tournaments. Secondly, in order to hide failing scores for individual years, the NCAA now only reports rolling four-year averages, whereas previously scores were reported for individual years.

That's how we knew that, for both 2011 and 2012, Harvard men's basketball scored below 930, the threshold for tournament participation.

HARVARD MEN'S BASKETBALL ACADEMIC PROGRESS RATING (four-year rolling average)

2005 982
2006 988
2007 987
2008 995
2009 991
2010 991
2011 974 beginning of downward movement
2012 956 nadir of rolling four-year average
2013 963 Harvard cheating scandal
2014 959 second lowest score, now including cheating scandal
2015 976
2016 987

I wouldn't be too impressed by the high GPAs at Harvard. The Crimson are still squarely in the bottom half of the League in APR scores.

IVY LEAGUE APR SCORES 2016


Columbia-Barnard 1000 (note to Tod Howard Hawks: that's the NCAA nomenclature)
Dartmouth 1000
Princeton 993
Cornell 992
Harvard 987
Yale 987
Penn 979
Brown 976

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Harvard APRs Crashed BEFORE The Cheating Scandal


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 23:41:16 07/18/17 Tue

Note that, except for Harvard's high water mark in 2008, the Crimson have NEVER scored as high as Columbia-Barnard, Dartmouth, Princeton or Cornell did just this past year.

Further note that Harvard really turned downward in 2011, perhaps not coincidentally the Crimson's first Ivy championship ever, though they were denied an NCAA tournament bid by Doug Davis' buzzer beating personal APR calculation.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Harvard APRs Crashed BEFORE The Cheating Scandal


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 23:57:24 07/18/17 Tue

If you look at all the League APRs over the twelve-year sample, team scores are definitely trending downward.

Thus, I would assert that, in addition to the widely reported improved financial aid packages, the League is also getting better the old fashioned way, by recruiting and matriculating weaker students.

The Ivy League has set academic standards for its student-athletes so far above other conferences that loosening academic standards remains the best way to win more basketball games. Just as it always was.

Here's another way to cut the twelve-year sample. And kudos to Columbia-Barnard for dominating this competition. Maybe that's why the Lions don't win championships on the court.

NUMBER OF 1000 SCORES POSTED OVER 12 YEARS

Columbia-Barnard 7
Cornell 2
Dartmouth 2
Brown 2
Penn 1
Princeton 1
Yale 1
Harvard 0

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Awful numbers, considering...


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 08:36:44 07/19/17 Wed


That the most common grade at Harvard is an "A."

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2013/12/3/grade-inflation-mode-a/

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Harvard APRs Crashed BEFORE The Cheating Scandal


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 00:20:31 07/19/17 Wed

To be fair to all parties, this data needs to be interpreted in the context of League scores generally trending downward, especially in the last five years.

But Harvard's APR scores really began to crash in 2011, which was the Crimson's first championship ever AND the senior year of Tommy Amaker's first recruiting class. The Harvard APR scores bounced off their nadir sub-930 scores of 2011 and 2012, but have never fully recovered, even though the two players who withdrew due to the 2013 cheating scandal subsequently returned and graduated a year late.

Then the rest of the League scores started to head downwards, a trend which continues today.

The operating hypothesis seems to be that Amaker's arrival at Harvard coincided with the Crimson beginning to recruit substantially weaker students academically. The rest of the League watched Harvard win its first championship in 2011 with those weak students and then its first NCAA bid in 2012 with an even weaker cohort academically.

The rest of the League woke up and smelled the coffee, starting the race to the bottom which continues as we speak.

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