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Subject: Re: Columbia and Chicago Threads: Unraveling of HYP Hegemony


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Ivy Voyeur
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Date Posted: 08:07:13 07/14/17 Fri
In reply to: Anthony 's message, "Columbia and Chicago Threads: Unraveling of HYP Hegemony" on 14:55:01 07/12/17 Wed

Sad history, Tod. Thanks for enlightening us. I wonder, though, whether Harvard really had 40% Jewish students in the 1960's. Do you recall where you found that stat?
Another thing in the mix about Yale, at least, is its admissions shift in the early 1960's, brought on by Kingman Brewster and R. Insley Clarke. That was when the school's emphasis changed from New England prep legacies to the top students in public schools across the country. The New Yorker had an article about George Bush/43 and how this change, which came while he was on campus, affected him. To me this suggests that while HYP were where the WASP establishment sent its kids, and therefore had a certain prestige and cache, their reputations were not based primarily on academic rigor. Chicago, Columbia and CCNY, (and others?) were seen as tougher academically. The Brewster/Clarke initiative reflected an intention to make Yale more competitive and rigorous. Does anyone know if Harvard and Princeton went through similar restructuring and when?
As for NYU, in the 1970's, it was failing. The endowment was down to $25 million, and the undergrad admissions rate was nearly 100%. It was a very safe safety school. It started to turn around when John Brademas left congress, became president, and realized most of the major real estate developers in NYC had gone to NYU and never been asked for money. Brademas created a fundraising juggernaut, brought in more than $1 billion, and got the school back on its feet. As fundraising accelerated, NYU built academic and housing facilities and raided other schools for top faculty promising tremendous support (and great residences in the Village). Now, it's likely on an academic par with some or all of the Ivies. It's a remarkable turnaround story based on financial effort. From being near broke in the 1970's to, in the late 1990's, having more than 40 fully endowed chairs that were unfilled is probably unprecedented.

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An Observer
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Date Posted: 09:30:50 07/14/17 Fri

Yes, Jerome Karabel's magnum opus, "The Chosen," about the active policies to limit Jewish enrollment at HYP, makes it clear that those three institutions took no back seat to Columbia in discriminating against Jews. As Tod says, today the exact same thing is being done to Asians.

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[> [> Subject: The Chosen


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 14:23:50 07/14/17 Fri

I didn't read Karabel's book but I remember reading this in HS was
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chosen_(Potok_novel)

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[> [> Subject: Re: NYU?


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DFW HOYA
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Date Posted: 17:21:51 07/15/17 Sat

"As fundraising accelerated, NYU built academic and housing facilities and raided other schools for top faculty promising tremendous support (and great residences in the Village). Now, it's likely on an academic par with some or all of the Ivies."

Not close.

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IvySportsJunkie
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Date Posted: 19:08:16 07/15/17 Sat

Agreed. While NYU's improvement is remarkable, it has a ways to go to catch up with the Ivies academically. NYU has only moved up to #36 on the US News & World Report national university rankings (probably the most reliable ranking). The lowest Ivy ranking is #15.

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Ivy Voyeur
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Date Posted: 08:24:41 07/16/17 Sun

If you look at the more academically oriented rankings, the ones that focus university-wide on major prize winners, research activity, major publications, etc., NYU ranks significantly higher than Brown and Dartmouth, and not terribly far from the middle of the Ivy League. It's not challenging, HYPC (Columbia), you're right -- yet. It looks like NYU is not quite there in undergraduate education, but the professional schools, STEM activity, and some grad schools are. And in undergrad studies, as at a number of schools, motivated students can cobble together Ivy caliber educations, if not prestige, with the professors they have available. Anecdotal conversations with friends suggest NYU still is stingy with financial aid to most students, especially at its professional schools. It's an interesting case hope story of diagnosis, strategy and execution bearing results.

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