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Subject: Re: Engineering and the Ivies


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ungvar
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Date Posted: 09:23:05 07/18/17 Tue
In reply to: AsiaSunset 's message, "Re: Engineering and the Ivies" on 08:47:16 07/18/17 Tue

Asia, you're stuck on Civil Engineering. Today's "classical" career could include programming at Google or developing new biomedical devices.

My Dad taught engineering for over 40 years at Columbia. It was pretty clear that the engineering school was a novelty at CU, a small gem, but a program that should stay small lest it draw attention from Columbia's other professional schools. Only recently has the central admin seen the light and let the faculty grow. And guess what, Columbia engineering has been climbing the rankings. You can see the same at Cornell and Harvard. I imagine the Penn central admin is also watching Stanford's success and drawing up plans for expansion.

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Date Posted: 11:06:06 07/18/17 Tue

That's not the point. The ranking is done exclusively by a peer survey with input from all over the country by people who know little about what is actually going on at our schools.

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Date Posted: 11:42:14 07/18/17 Tue

Peer assessment is just a portion of the US News ranking.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/articles/engineering-schools-methodology

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AsiaSunset
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Date Posted: 11:48:47 07/18/17 Tue

You're looking at Graduate schools

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/undergraduate-engineering-programs-methodology

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ungvar
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Date Posted: 13:01:30 07/18/17 Tue

Yes, but the top 30 schools on the graduate and undergraduate schools are largely the same, and schools tend to be positioned in the same relative locations in both lists.

I'd bet that the graduate list, which has much wider coverage, tends to inform the undergraduate list (in that deans and school counselors seeing a school ranking higher in the grad list will tend to push said school higher in his/her ranking for undergraduate engineering.

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Date Posted: 13:24:39 07/18/17 Tue

You raise an excellent point. First, you would think that having all 8 Ivies ranked in the top 15 of US News overall undergraduate colleges and the intangible prestige associated with the Ivies would be positive factors related to our engineering ranking

Second, the strength of graduate level engineering programs can have important synergistic benefits to undergraduate programs, much like in other STEM fields. The undergraduate, graduate and faculty members often collaborate on projects. Thus, it will be helpful for those Ivies who have graduate engineering programs to strengthen both their undergraduate and graduate programs.

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