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bulldog10jw
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Date Posted: 15:33:59 08/11/17 Fri
In reply to: Memphis Bill 's message, "Re: Yep" on 13:09:39 08/11/17 Fri

If I remember correctly, an inexplicable loss to Colgate kept the 1956 team from an undefeated season

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old blue
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Date Posted: 16:02:36 08/11/17 Fri

Gentlemen;our 1956 squad may have been better than our undefeated 1960 squad.the one blemish due to a series of several fumbles inside the red raider 20 yard line on a dark dreary and wet afternoon in the bowl which allowed the red raiders to escape with a 14-6 victory.

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remember it well
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Date Posted: 16:18:54 08/11/17 Fri

The 56 Colgate game at the Bowl was during parents weekend. I recall some of the fans in the stands joking that the players must have participated in too many family festivities the day before the game as they certainly weren't playing like a nationally ranked team - which they were.

That's one that Ollie shouldn't have lost - but he was a terrific coach and he along with Delaney Kiphuth (Yale's outstanding AD) brought Yale football to a level of prominence that was all the more remarkable considering the newly formed league had espoused a de-emphasis of the sport.

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bulldog10jw
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Date Posted: 16:39:03 08/11/17 Fri

One of the great years. Championships in Football, basketball, and baseball.

Still in the midst of their unprecedented dual meet winning streak in swimming.

Huge representation in several sports at the 1956 Olympics including a good medal for the heavyweight crew

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L et V
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Date Posted: 18:20:47 08/11/17 Fri

A very good medal.

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Observer
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Date Posted: 19:11:04 08/11/17 Fri

That was three generations ago ....

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remember it well
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Date Posted: 19:46:29 08/11/17 Fri

There you go again Observer - always trying to impress us with your cognitive skills.

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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 21:31:52 08/11/17 Fri

Contrary to Observer's snark, it is worthwhile to look back on past glories--not all of them arising from New Haven--and contemplate where our League's football teams might be today were it not for a combination of NCAA money grabbers and spineless Ivy presidents who combined to eject the founders of the sport from their rightful places in football's top echelon. Resort to the history books shows that of our eight teams, six are former national champs, and Columbia won a Rose Bowl,. Brown had the first African-American superstar (and its own trip to the Rose Bowl). In 1981, we needed a Messiah to eject the money changers from the temple, but instead were betrayed by the triumvirate of Bok, Bowen and Giamatti.

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Observer
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Date Posted: 09:49:24 08/12/17 Sat

What, exactly, did "Bok, Bowen and Giamatti" do that the other 5 presidents didn't want to do?

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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 13:24:15 08/12/17 Sat

I'm not suggesting a Power 5 position for Ivies. However, on field performance of Ivies in late 70's early 80's was at Mid-Major level, and with proper support from Ivy trustees and administrators, there is no reason that Ivies can't play at that level today. Harvard already is there, and were Murphy not so timid in his OOC scheduling, we would have better proof of Ivy on the field quality approximates that of Mid American Conf, for one example.

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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 11:37:50 08/12/17 Sat

Consider the current upper echelon of FBS football. Is that where the Ivies' "rightful place" is?

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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 13:38:45 08/12/17 Sat

Along with Stanford and Notre Dame, yes. Having said that, I'd be content with being at the top echelon of FCS, so the Ivy League can remain intact. This would only require one rule change, which is FCS playoff participation. The quality is already there for the Ivy Champion to legitimately contend for a national championship.

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Observer
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Date Posted: 14:08:15 08/12/17 Sat

What are they ... the "best of the worst", the strongest of the weakest" or the tops of the bottoms"?

Whatever, its nothing to brag about.

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Son of Eli (To Observer)
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Date Posted: 17:58:50 08/12/17 Sat

Some currently say the same things about the Ivy League Champion. They wouldn't be able to say that if the Ivy League showcased their talent in the FCS playoffs.

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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 15:39:04 08/12/17 Sat

I would concur, a deserving Ivy team should be allowed to participate if extended a playoff invitation. They may even win a first round game but the upper echelon teams are too deep these days fro an Ivy to compete for a championship. Some of those teams beat top 20 FBS teams. Look at the top 5 FCS programs and re-think the notion of an Ivy team being capable of knocking any of them off.

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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 17:53:41 08/12/17 Sat

Colgate made it to the quarterfinals as recently as 2015. That year they beat James Madison, which became the National Champions the following year. Both Yale and Princeton beat that 2015 Colgate team in the regular season. Neither Yale nor Princeton was the best team in the Ivy that year.

Colgate also made it all the way to the Championship game in 2003. Yale gave them a competitive game in 2003 and beat them in 2004.

I think in the typical year an Ivy champion would win no more than a game or two in the playoffs, but a Cinderella once in a generation outlier could go all the way.

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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 01:25:25 08/16/17 Wed

True, Colgate has had formidable teams and it was a strong win over JMU. They tend to be up and down. I still don't believe an Ivy team would stand much of a chance to win a FCS title up against the best teams right now. Though as I have said a few times on this board, I am in favor of Ivy football participation in the FCS playoffs.

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