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Subject: Re: Yale athletics in '56-'57


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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 21:31:52 08/11/17 Fri
In reply to: remember it well 's message, "Re: Yale athletics in '56-'57" on 19:46:29 08/11/17 Fri

Contrary to Observer's snark, it is worthwhile to look back on past glories--not all of them arising from New Haven--and contemplate where our League's football teams might be today were it not for a combination of NCAA money grabbers and spineless Ivy presidents who combined to eject the founders of the sport from their rightful places in football's top echelon. Resort to the history books shows that of our eight teams, six are former national champs, and Columbia won a Rose Bowl,. Brown had the first African-American superstar (and its own trip to the Rose Bowl). In 1981, we needed a Messiah to eject the money changers from the temple, but instead were betrayed by the triumvirate of Bok, Bowen and Giamatti.

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Observer
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Date Posted: 09:49:24 08/12/17 Sat

What, exactly, did "Bok, Bowen and Giamatti" do that the other 5 presidents didn't want to do?

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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 13:24:15 08/12/17 Sat

I'm not suggesting a Power 5 position for Ivies. However, on field performance of Ivies in late 70's early 80's was at Mid-Major level, and with proper support from Ivy trustees and administrators, there is no reason that Ivies can't play at that level today. Harvard already is there, and were Murphy not so timid in his OOC scheduling, we would have better proof of Ivy on the field quality approximates that of Mid American Conf, for one example.

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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 11:37:50 08/12/17 Sat

Consider the current upper echelon of FBS football. Is that where the Ivies' "rightful place" is?

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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 13:38:45 08/12/17 Sat

Along with Stanford and Notre Dame, yes. Having said that, I'd be content with being at the top echelon of FCS, so the Ivy League can remain intact. This would only require one rule change, which is FCS playoff participation. The quality is already there for the Ivy Champion to legitimately contend for a national championship.

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Observer
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Date Posted: 14:08:15 08/12/17 Sat

What are they ... the "best of the worst", the strongest of the weakest" or the tops of the bottoms"?

Whatever, its nothing to brag about.

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Son of Eli (To Observer)
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Date Posted: 17:58:50 08/12/17 Sat

Some currently say the same things about the Ivy League Champion. They wouldn't be able to say that if the Ivy League showcased their talent in the FCS playoffs.

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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 15:39:04 08/12/17 Sat

I would concur, a deserving Ivy team should be allowed to participate if extended a playoff invitation. They may even win a first round game but the upper echelon teams are too deep these days fro an Ivy to compete for a championship. Some of those teams beat top 20 FBS teams. Look at the top 5 FCS programs and re-think the notion of an Ivy team being capable of knocking any of them off.

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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 17:53:41 08/12/17 Sat

Colgate made it to the quarterfinals as recently as 2015. That year they beat James Madison, which became the National Champions the following year. Both Yale and Princeton beat that 2015 Colgate team in the regular season. Neither Yale nor Princeton was the best team in the Ivy that year.

Colgate also made it all the way to the Championship game in 2003. Yale gave them a competitive game in 2003 and beat them in 2004.

I think in the typical year an Ivy champion would win no more than a game or two in the playoffs, but a Cinderella once in a generation outlier could go all the way.

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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 01:25:25 08/16/17 Wed

True, Colgate has had formidable teams and it was a strong win over JMU. They tend to be up and down. I still don't believe an Ivy team would stand much of a chance to win a FCS title up against the best teams right now. Though as I have said a few times on this board, I am in favor of Ivy football participation in the FCS playoffs.

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