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Subject: Re: Meanwhile in Cleveland...


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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 21:58:01 08/28/17 Mon
In reply to: Diogenes 's message, "Re: Meanwhile in Cleveland..." on 17:54:36 08/28/17 Mon

Oh, he's gone unless ND finishes top 10 in a new year's bowl this year. Funny how things can turn sour. I recall some interview a few year's ago about coaching hot seats. The ND AD said Kelly was "on the coolest seat in the nation."

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Calvin
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Date Posted: 08:42:52 08/29/17 Tue

Regarding that cool seat, how many ex-coaches is ND still paying not to coach, three?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Meanwhile in Cleveland...


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Diogenes (Calvin)
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Date Posted: 11:09:19 08/29/17 Tue

Davie, Willingham and Weis are Kelly's three predecessors. Lou Holtz preceded them.

Kelly is the best coach since Holtz.

"Looking for Mr. Goodbar".

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: The landscape has changed


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al's wingman
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Date Posted: 14:20:08 08/29/17 Tue

seems like the entire college football landscape has changed. Recruiting top talent used to be easy for ND just based on name. I'm not sure how true that is anymore with drawing the same level of interest from current generations. They still have plenty of talent to compete but it seems if your name isn't Saban or Meyer you are battling uphill.

Nebraska used to be a powerhouse just based on reputation. Now they are just ordinary.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: ...The landscape has changed


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al's wingman
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Date Posted: 14:24:20 08/29/17 Tue

and before anyone mentions Clemson in the same breath as Bama and Ohio State, Deshaun Watson almost flipped to Ohio State out of HS.

So long as there is an "elite" top down culture in college football recruiting, ND has a long haul back to being a top team regardless of who is coaching them.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: The landscape has changed


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 14:49:14 08/29/17 Tue

This is a little off-topic but it bears stating that Nebraska as a long-term powerhouse in college football is an amazing testament to Bob Devaney and Tom Osborne.

All the long-term powerhouses have some recruiting advantage. Most powerhouses derive from sitting on a geographical pipeline of high school talent: Texas, the Florida schools, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC and of course Notre Dame with its national reputation.

Conversely, Nebraska is literally and figuratively in the middle of nowhere. I submit that Nebraska thrived for a longer period of time further away from any natural pipeline of high school talent than any other college program ever.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Oregon and Chip Kelly?


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Diogenes (An Observer)
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Date Posted: 18:49:46 08/29/17 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Oregon and Chip Kelly?


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 19:01:06 08/29/17 Tue

Dio, you know, in my original post, I was about to type that Oregon was on the path to the kind of achievement Nebraska had, but the Ducks still had to stay on top of the mountain for at least another two decades, if not three or four, to match the Huskers. I finally got lazy and never mentioned the Ducks.

But, yes, I agree with you that Oregon also must "import" all of its football talent and the recent run of success in Eugene is extremely impressive.

Great minds must think alike, or perhaps feeble ones.

In another thread, I mentioned watching a recent series on ESPN about P.J. Fleck. He's a guy heading places, that's for sure. I took note that he claims he and his wife had prepared a list of eight programs which he would be willing to leave Western Michigan to begin anew. He further claims that most of the eight were well known powers, but that he and his wife included Minnesota because he thought the Gophers were "a sleeping giant." I just think it's so so much harder to build a long-term winner in the Twin Cities, for the same reason it's so difficult to win in Eugene, Oregon.

The one big attraction to Minnesota is the weakness of the Big Ten Western division. You're really just going up against Wisconsin, Iowa and a much weakened Nebraska program for the right to be sixty minutes away from an upset win over Michigan, OSU or PSU in Indianapolis.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Oregon and Chip Kelly?


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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 22:22:25 08/29/17 Tue

could not agree more about Tom Osborne and Devaney drawing top talent based on reputation and consistent results. Osborne's successor, Frank Solich, was fired after a 9-3 season! Not sure the full reasons why but the Huskers did start to slip ever so much against ranked teams and conference nemesis Oklahoma. Where they are today though is a good program and sometimes above average, nothing like their heyday.

As for the Oregon Ducks, they are to be commended for rising from the very bottom. Oregon and Kansas State were two of the worst programs ever in DI in fact and both are top 20 material now.

Chip had the benefit of taking over a very good program from Mike Belotti. But let's face it Oregon would be not have moved mountains and drew talent without Phil Knight's sponsorship. The school also apparently went too far and got dinged by the NCAA for recruiting violations.

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Go Green
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Date Posted: 07:50:31 08/30/17 Wed


Not to take away Oregon's rise, but you may be confusing them with Oregon State when you put them in the "worst programs ever in DI" category.

Oregon has had weak years to be sure. But they've generally been better than their Civil War rivals.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: As explained...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 10:19:26 08/30/17 Wed


http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/sports/college/oregon-state/2015/11/25/season-rank-among-worst-osu-history/76380830/

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Oregon and Chip Kelly?


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al's wingman
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Date Posted: 17:16:16 08/30/17 Wed

That is true, Oregon State has fared worse than Oregon in football but not by much. Oregon was seen as a patsy for many years by their Pac10 opponents.

Too lazy to check W-L numbers but these programs have always stuck with me as historically bad. Some have changed things around.

Oregon
Oregon State
Kansas
Kansas State
New Mexico
New Mexico State

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