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Subject: Re: Ivy League was founded on no scholarships and academic excellence.


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Sprint66
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Date Posted: 22:43:57 08/28/17 Mon
In reply to: Observer 's message, "Yes." on 19:37:36 08/28/17 Mon

I am not going to argue with you Harvard loyalists, but the reality is the Ivy League was founded on no athletic scholarships and academic excellence. Tim Murphy has clearly violated the spirit of those rules. Sure the lowly five can probably match a Harvard offer, but that only gets the rest of the league second pickings. Other teams like Penn will challenge, but no doubt Harvard has driven a MACK Truck through a small loop hole in the rules, but that doesn't make it right. Hey if the rest of the league wants to go to scholarships and a more even academic index, then that's fine with me. We all should be playing by the same set of rules. Probably won't change though as Robin Harris is in bed with H-Y-P and could give a rats A about the rest of the league.

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mrjames
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Date Posted: 08:16:05 08/29/17 Tue

Your two key complaints here seem to be financial aid and the academic index.

Yes, there has been a massive financial aid expansion in the Ivy League starting in 2008 when Ivy educations were made free for those earning $60K or less. This wasn't done to help athletic teams be more competitive, but rather to help the institutions make an Ivy education accessible for all. Is your point that financial aid should have applied for non-athletes, but all athletes should continue to pay full? Or that the HYP expansion of fin aid was athletically motivated? Both are ridiculous.

As for making the playing field level, I'm all for it (though it's not as slanted as people think anymore). I'd like to see full athletic scholarships. But failing that, leveling the playing field is tricky, given the anti-trust ruling regarding the previous candidate-level financial aid discussions.

As for the academic index, Cornell has been the biggest beneficiary of an unequal playing field for years. The last thing that non-HYPs would want is a level playing field (though most other Ivies have closed the AI gap enough that differences aren't as big as they used to be and the floor at 183 now is pretty darn restricting). If your argument is that you liked the good old days when a low, low floor (169) allowed Cornell to essentially have a somewhat exclusive niche of the pond in which to fish and now that's gone with the floor at 183, that's fine, but that's a sign of RISING academic standards that have adversely impacted Cornell.

Sometimes I feel like Ivy fans won't be happy until the entire league is terrible and the champion is essentially a random draw among eight equally horrible teams.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivy League was founded on no scholarships and academic excellence.


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 08:40:28 08/29/17 Tue

"the champion is essentially a random draw"

Fans, maybe not so much, unless you consider students in the library during a game "fans".

But I bet the administrators wouldn't be upset.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Football parity


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 10:18:38 08/29/17 Tue


Four teams have shared the title in the last two seasons.

That really ain't bad as far as parity goes...

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Correct me if i am wrong


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 10:40:19 08/29/17 Tue

but aren't Harvard and I think Yale and Princeton providing financial aid to families making up to 175K? If so that is pretty generous. Pretty hard for a family to have Murph come into your living room in some town somewhere in the hinterland and say "Maam I want your son to play for me at Harvard" and turn him down knowing that even though you are upper middle class you won't pay a nickel for his education. Whereas the other day some kid tweeted "I just got offered by Dartmouth University" that drives me nuts

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Correct me if i am wrong


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mrjames
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Date Posted: 11:13:47 08/29/17 Tue

It may have expanded since, but it started as $60K and under was full, whereas anything up to $180K was ~10% family obligation (I believe if you have a ton of assets, it's not that clean, but assuming a limited amount of assets).

I wish that families wouldn't have to pay a nickel under $180K, because we lose a lot of kids to a $10-20K difference in post-FA Ivy price tags and an athletic scholarship at similarly-minded academic institutions.

Also, while that was a big step at the time, it's my understanding that Ivies are now all relatively in line with that policy.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Maybe he was right and it's a fresh start


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 11:21:59 08/29/17 Tue

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_University

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Latest cuts


Author:
holtsledge
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Date Posted: 15:34:34 09/02/17 Sat

include Columbia's Adams by the Jets and Penn's Togerson by Falcons

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Flo, too


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 16:54:13 09/02/17 Sat


Rams released Orimolade.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: let's hope


Author:
holtsledge
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Date Posted: 17:31:29 09/02/17 Sat

for practice squad

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Vernon Harris waived by Bucs.


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Diogenes
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Date Posted: 23:04:49 09/02/17 Sat

He was injured in the pre-season with the Chiefs last year and signed with the Bucs this year.

Magnificent athlete. Engineering graduate. All best wishes to him.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: H's Toner


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 08:41:57 09/03/17 Sun

waived by AZ, kind of a surprise since he was on roster last year

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: P's Catapano and Reid released


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sparman
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Date Posted: 08:45:38 09/03/17 Sun

By Chiefs and Chargers. Reid has had productive seasons and I suspect will be picked up especially as injuries occur.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: P's Catapano and Reid released


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cadyellow
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Date Posted: 20:14:35 09/05/17 Tue

Columbia's Josh Martin has been named starter for NY Jets in Game 1.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Harvard's Nick Easton to start on O-Line for Vikings


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Observer
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Date Posted: 16:21:17 09/07/17 Thu

http://www.startribune.com/nick-easton-s-patience-rewarded-as-vikings-starter-on-offensive-line/442951593/

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: H's Toner


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Observer
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Date Posted: 20:15:15 09/07/17 Thu

Signed by Cincinnati to their taxi squad

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Correct me if i am wrong


Author:
foehi
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Date Posted: 23:55:55 09/07/17 Thu

Torgerson was signed to somebody's practice squad which is a one year free pass from real life.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Signed by the Washington


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 09:17:28 09/08/17 Fri

Some people believe that is a "pro" franchise, many consider it an open question.

But he might get a chance to play if injuries occur.

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