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Subject: Ivy Football Championship Game


Author:
Diogenes
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Date Posted: 10:36:07 08/31/17 Thu

As in Ivy baseball and the Big Ten, why not separate Ivy football into two divisions.

Columbia, Cornell, Penn and Princeton in one division (The Archie Roberts Division?). Brown, Dartmouth, Harvard and Yale in the other division (The Hank Paulson Division?)

At the end of the season, the winners of the two divisions play for the Ivy championship.

Start the season a week earlier. As in the Big Ten, the championship game could have a permanent neutral location. Or, it could be rotated between the schools or between the divisions.

By virtue of an earlier start, there would be more good weather games plus an 11th game within existing Ivy rules. Each team would still play a full Ivy schedule.

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy Football Championship Game


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 11:03:36 08/31/17 Thu

Given the number of prominent alums from all these schools, to keep feathers unruffled you would have to go with non-personal names, like North and South. I am sure there many entertaining creative alternatives.

Would it be inappropriate to suggest "High AI" and "Low AI"? Or "Arrogant" and "Delusional"?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Football Championship Game


Author:
Diogenes (Calvin)
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Date Posted: 11:30:08 08/31/17 Thu

North/South is always safe. "Snowflake" and "Safe Space" could also work.

Tie-Breakers could include "Most Campus Statuary Removed" and "Most Speakers Barred From Campus".

Seriously, what do you think? Two-way or three-way ties in an eight team league are a bit tedious.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Football Championship Game


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 12:05:50 08/31/17 Thu

Well, they are in keeping with "Participation Trophy" mentality.

I don't particularly like it, but as long as we don't send a winner to any further competition, does it matter?

You still have the issue of attitudes about superseding The Game. If you could overcome that, there wouldn't be an obstacle to sending a team to the NCAAs, in which case a championship game would not be needed because you follow the same tie-breaking procedures adopted for other sports.

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy Football Championship Game


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jerrylh
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Date Posted: 11:49:11 08/31/17 Thu

Sounds like the championship would be a replay of an earlier opponent. every year. If you are going to propose a championship game, why can't the champion get a spot in the NCAA div 1A tourney. Now that would be interesting.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Football Championship Game


Author:
Diogenes (jerrylh)
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Date Posted: 12:15:19 08/31/17 Thu

The Ivy Compact's ban on post-season play has been violated in every sport except football. Why? Because it's football.

The South, the Midwest and the Southwest love football and voted for Trump. Only men play football. It's violent. Players get hurt. If he'd lived to see it, John C. Calhoun would have enjoyed football. Football players make fun of nerds, snowflakes and assorted wimpy behavior. George Schultz, a Princeton football player, tattooed a Tiger on his fanny. Ronald Reagan played the Gipper.

Don't you understand? It's football. Now get out of my office and let me clutch my pearls.

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[> [> [> Subject: Random Thoughts: Tattoos and Geography


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:22:13 08/31/17 Thu

Is George P. Schultz the only high level government official (say, Cabinet level or above) ever with an Ivy League mascot tattoo?

I once was on a first date when the topic of tattoos came up. Without thinking it through carefully, I stupidly said, "A friend and I were discussing how a tattoo ranks below a belly chain, and above an ankle bracelet, in terms of suggesting a woman with whom a man might end up in bed." My date looked at me blankly and declared without emotion, "I have a tattoo." Caught off guard and flustered, I stammered, "Uh. . .uh. . . where is it?" Whereupon she replied briskly, "It's exactly where you think it is."

In terms of the North/South divisions, without checking on a map, where do you think Cornell fits on a list of Ivy schools from North to South?

Dartmouth
Harvard
Brown
Yale
Columbia
Princeton
Penn

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Random Thoughts: Tattoos and Geography


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 14:17:46 08/31/17 Thu

I hope you asked her for proof.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: now that's funny


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 15:18:14 08/31/17 Thu

great line Cal

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Random Thoughts: Tattoos and Geography


Author:
Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 14:52:45 08/31/17 Thu

Could be Eastern and western divisions with the Hudson River as the dividing line. Or better yet you don't need to have two divisions at all. Just have the 1st and 2nd place teams play each other in the championship. It's usually a tie anyway. Home field advantage goes to the school with the best conference record. 2nd tiebreaker for home field advantage would be head-to -head. So last year Princeton would have hosted Penn. That game probably would have drawn over 20k. I like that better than having two divisions. Imagine two Yale-Harvard games in a row. That would be great for league attendance and national exposure.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Random Thoughts: Tattoos and Geography


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 15:10:34 08/31/17 Thu

I would also start the season two weeks earlier and then have a BYE week before the championsip game.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Random Thoughts: Tattoos and Geography


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 12:24:00 09/02/17 Sat

Here's an article titled "Tattooed US Politicians."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/tattooed-u-s-politicians/

Apparently, there aren't too many politicos with tattoos, so I'm going to give Shultz the nod for being highest administration figure with a League motif tattoo. Shultz himself never formally confirmed the tattoo's existence, the news came from his first wife Helena who casually affirmed the rumor when asked by reporters. She said that their kids liked to touch it, whereupon Shultz would roar like a tiger. Great humanizing story for one of the greatest of the greatest generation.

Nobody took a shot at the Cornell question? Seriously, take a guess. The baseball and softball divisions are both BDHY and CCPP, and were at one time both called "North" and "South." Is this geographically accurate?

As I think more about that dinner, it was actually not a date per se, but a professional outing. The young woman in question worked for a public relations firm which represented a client whose financial performance was very important to me and my company. I took her to the Union Square Cafe back when it was the new hot thing in NY. She was one of these hard-charging women that you can only find in Manhattan, like a Samantha Jones come to life. We dated for about eight months. Every time we went out, I would meet her at her office and surreptitiously search through the documents on her desk looking for nonpublic information. Ah, crazy times when we were young, eh?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Random Thoughts: Tattoos and Geography


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 12:25:13 09/02/17 Sat

Here's an article titled "Tattooed US Politicians."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/tattooed-u-s-politicians/

Apparently, there aren't too many politicos with tattoos, so I'm going to give Shultz the nod for being highest administration figure with a League motif tattoo. Shultz himself never formally confirmed the tattoo's existence, the news came from his first wife Helena who casually affirmed the rumor when asked by reporters. She said that their kids liked to touch it, whereupon Shultz would roar like a tiger. Great humanizing story for one of the greatest of the greatest generation.

Nobody took a shot at the Cornell question? Seriously, take a guess. The baseball and softball divisions are both BDHY and CCPP, and were at one time both called "North" and "South." Is this geographically accurate?

As I think more about that dinner, it was actually not a date per se, but a professional meeting. The young woman in question worked for a public relations firm which represented a client whose financial performance was very important to me and my company. I took her to the Union Square Cafe back when it was the new hot thing in NY. She was one of these hard-charging women that you can only find in Manhattan, like a Samantha Jones come to life. We dated for about eight months. Every time we went out, I would meet her at her office and surreptitiously search through the documents on her desk looking for nonpublic information. Ah, crazy times when we were young, eh?

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: So


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 21:44:29 09/02/17 Sat

You did.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: So Where Was It?


Author:
Diogenes
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Date Posted: 22:02:47 09/02/17 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: So Where Was It?


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:36:45 09/04/17 Mon

Here are two answers:

Although BDHY is nominally called the North division, Cornell is actually further north than New Haven.

Wait a minute, Cornell is also further north than Providence.

Hold on! Here's the shocker! In addition, Cornell is also slightly further north than Cambridge. Amazing, right? Dartmouth and Cornell are the two most northern Ivy League schools.

According to his wife, George Shultz's tiger tattoo was on his lower left cheek. My public relations exec had hers on the opposite side. After our business dinner, I was dropping her off at her apartment before the taxi headed back to my hotel. I was expecting a chaste handshake when she disoriented my expectations by suddenly paying the cab fare. I was totally confused by her move, thinking to myself, "What's going on here?!" before composing myself to get out of the taxi.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: So Where Was It?


Author:
Diogenes (An Observer)
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Date Posted: 14:08:22 09/04/17 Mon

A Schultzian placement, no doubt fully appreciated. Life's pleasant surprises are always the best.

Thanks for the info on Cornell's northerly position. I always assumed that Ithaca was south of Boston. Maybe we're looking at the "Ed Marinaro Division".

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy Football Championship Game


Author:
Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 12:46:00 08/31/17 Thu

I'd prefer FCS playoff participation or an eleventh game against a non conference opponent, but it would be an improvement over the status quo and probably the most likely to be approved by the league presidents of those three options. However, I seem to remember reading once that there is an NCAA rule fordbidding conference championship games unless the conference contained at least 12 teams. I could be wrong.

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[> [> Subject: NCAA Rule on Conference Championship Games


Author:
Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 13:01:41 08/31/17 Thu

Not sure if it ever applied to the FCS, but the rule limiting championship games to leagues of 12 or more teams was repealed:

http://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2016-01-13/college-football-fbs-conferences-fewer-12-members-now-able-hold

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy Football Championship Game


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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 13:33:31 08/31/17 Thu

How unusual for this board: a solution in search of a problem.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Football Championship Game


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 13:40:00 08/31/17 Thu

The problem is declining attendance, unless you think playing in front of 5,000 fans in 60,000 seat stadiums is just fine. If so you should be an Ivy President.

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy Football Championship Game


Author:
The Lion (I love it, Diogenesin)
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Date Posted: 14:35:22 08/31/17 Thu

Energizes interest, creates an 11th (league championship) game, and
begins the season closer to the real beginning than the end. All of which is why the fossilized apparatchiks of the IL will reject it. That's when the law-abiding minority of academia should revolt against the loathsome Democrat Fa and stage their own riots to restore real learning and real football.

Love the "Archie Roberts Division." Can't think of a better player or accomplished citizen combined in the same man.

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy Football Championship Game


Author:
Old Eli
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Date Posted: 20:47:41 09/04/17 Mon

Son of Eli gets it. Neutral site attendance would be terrible. Logistics for two teams to extend a week would be a nightmare.

Drop the prohibition against participation in the FCS playoffs. There's no guarantee the league gets a bid anyway.

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