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Subject: Princeton scheduling


Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 21:15:50 09/04/17 Mon

I don't know how long it has been out, but the P schedule is posted at least through 2020, so having gone public, it can now be told.

Starting in 2018, P will play BOTH H and Y at home or away each season, presumably into the indefinite future. Just so that alums know: this is courtesy of Gary Walters, alone.

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[> Subject: Re: Princeton scheduling


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 23:39:18 09/04/17 Mon

This makes no sense whatsoever. HYP have been playing each other home-and-away for 120 years, ever since 1897 when Yale and Princeton stopped playing their game in New York City.

What's the point of making this change?

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[> [> Subject: Original post confirmed


Author:
voy vey
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Date Posted: 09:12:13 09/05/17 Tue

http://www.goprincetontigers.com/sports/2017/4/20/future-football-schedules.aspx

It looks like the Princeton-Harvard series is the one being adjusted to affect the change. P @ H in 2017, then P @ H again in 2018.

My guess: this was a domino effect.
Hypothetical example (this is MADE UP, so don't mistake this for reality):
Penn doesn't like the home/away mix of their schedule, for travel reasons. They propose to swap the years that they travel to Brown.
Brown then has an imbalance of home/away, and thus has to swap years in which it travels to Cornell.
Cornell then has an imbalance and has to swap years in which it travels to Princeton.
Princeton then has an imbalance and has to swap years in which it travels to Harvard.

Something like that, is my guess.

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[> [> [> Subject: We went through this a while back...


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 12:37:20 09/05/17 Tue


For some crazy reason 10-something years ago, Dartmouth and Penn were respectively playing all the New England teams and all the non-New England teams home and away. They either had minimal travel or extreme travel in a given year.

The league jiggered the schedule to correct the extremes. But someone had to play at the other twice in a row to make it happen.

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[> Subject: P.S.


Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 09:25:33 09/05/17 Tue

The reference to Walters was meant to address who at Princeton was involved. Clearly, other ADs, were in on it.

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[> Subject: Concomitant effect


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 09:33:27 09/05/17 Tue

So Yale and Harvard will now alternate years when they play both of the other and Princeton away or home?

WTH?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Concomitant effect


Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 10:25:45 09/05/17 Tue

Apparently the only football traditions left in the league are the H-Y game ending their seasons and no post-season games for any team.

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[> [> [> Subject: unrequited rivalries


Author:
observer
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Date Posted: 10:39:19 09/05/17 Tue

Princetonians are finally figuring out that their triangular "rivalry" with H-Y is in their minds only. H-Y is the only football game that matters in Cambridge and New Haven.

Similar, Penn likes to think that their P-P rivalry in hoops extends to football (remember Keith Elias, etc.), but in actuality, those in Central Jersey aspire to beat H-Y first and foremost.

Cornell thinks that they still have a thing with Penn. Philadelphia thinks otherwise.

Columbia alums seem to believe that the Hamilton-Burr duel still holds prologue to games vs. Princeton... but Lions/Tigers isn't a rivalry on the west side of the Hudson.

Same stuff goes for Green vs. Tigers and Bears vs Dogs. One school cares, the other, not so much.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Concomitant effect - just H and P


Author:
voy vey
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Date Posted: 10:42:51 09/05/17 Tue

Yale still has one home and one away each year.
But, Princeton and Harvard will now each host both Big Three games in the same year, or travel to both.

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[> Subject: Re: Princeton scheduling


Author:
joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 12:04:32 09/05/17 Tue

There are a large number of attendant activities at H and P that will be screwed up by this, from athletics to joint musical events, involving hundreds of students, some of which go back a century. This will not go well.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Princeton scheduling


Author:
Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 13:30:13 09/05/17 Tue

From a Yale perspective, understand JF's point about wrecking havoc with alumni and student events by not having an annual Big Three FB event on campus. Joint Glee Club events, alumni conferences all key off of either the P or H game that is played in New Haven in any particular year. I'm pretty shocked that H and P ADs were not on top of this.

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