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Subject: Re: FCS playoffs


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Old Blue
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Date Posted: 16:01:06 09/07/17 Thu
In reply to: remember it well 's message, "FCS playoffs" on 10:06:23 09/07/17 Thu

Gentleman; the sound of this chime is the perpetual broken record. Regrettably, the bombastic ancient eight monarchsl live in the dark ages with no renaissance on this issue in sight.

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Sprint66
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Date Posted: 21:33:38 09/07/17 Thu

One of the best Ivy League football articles I have read in recent years. I couldn't agree more and thanks for the post. I just wish the Ivy League presidents would actually read the article and take some action. LOL

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[> [> Subject: Re: FCS playoffs


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Bob S
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Date Posted: 14:50:40 09/09/17 Sat

Cornell, Penn, and Princeton were the only schools who could be considered big time back before the deemphasis. Cornell has been pretty much mediocre save for theMarinaro or Baughn years ever since. Looking back it is as if current Ivy President's decided Field Hockey was "overemphasized" and decided to limit scheduling and not allow it's schools to play in the NCAAs.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: FCS playoffs


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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 08:51:20 09/10/17 Sun

Bob S: It's difficult to fix exactly when "the time of the de emphasis" was. The last year the Ivies played a role in the national conversation was 1951.
The first Top 20 poll that hear had Princeton, Penn and Cornell starting the season at 18, 19, and 20 respectively. Princeton got as high as No. 4, and ended the season ranked no. 6. Penn left the Top 20 after an opening loss to No. 5 Cal, 35-6, never to reappear in the poll that year. Cornell was ranked at various times, falling out of poll due to mid season thumping by Princeton 53-15, perhaps Kazmaier's greatest game. Cornell did reappear in the poll after this defeat but finished the season unranked, despite beating Michigan and Syracuse.That year Penn finished unrankrd but beat national powers Army and Navy.

When Harvard and Yale played these teams (the football Big Three Ivies at that time), they got thumped. Cornell beat Yale and Harvard in '51 by a combined score of 69-6, for example. H and Y had stopped playin Penn, they were too good. H and Y basically used their prestige to overcome weak hand in football, and extort surrender from these three powers by means of 1954 Ivy Agreement, which neutered our League forever.

By the way, on the eve of our sport's downgrade, Yale carried the Ivy banner by upsetting No. 19 Army 14-12 before a sold out Yale Bowl crowd.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: a little later than that


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 09:57:38 09/10/17 Sun

Dartmouth's undefeated Lambert trophy winning 1970 team wound up ranked #14 nationally I believe

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Dartmouth 1965 undefeated Lambert Trophy received AP top ten votes


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Diogenes
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Date Posted: 10:58:00 09/10/17 Sun

In 1965, AP ranked only top ten. Dartmouth received top ten votes but not enough to make top ten.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Yale /AP poll


Author:
remember it well
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Date Posted: 10:12:36 09/10/17 Sun

Here's a link to play with: shows the years when the teams were ranked by the AP. Yale and Army were both ranked 19 when they played in 55. Yale's undefeated and unscored upon team in 59 was ranked 13 - until they lost to Dartmouth. The great 1960 team end of year ranking was 14.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/yale/1960-schedule.html

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: AP poll 1960


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remember it well
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Date Posted: 11:34:14 09/10/17 Sun

Another interesting link below. Shows Navy which shared the Lambert Trophy with Yale was ranked #4 to Yale's #14.
I still believe Yale (led by Tom Singelton) could have beaten Navy led by Heisman winner Joe Bellino. It would certainly have been an entertaining game had they played for the trophy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_NCAA_University_Division_football_rankings

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Mike Pyle was the captain of the 1960 Yale team


Author:
Diogenes
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Date Posted: 11:48:24 09/10/17 Sun

Played for the Bears all during the 1960's. Might have been the best Ivy player since the formation of the Ivy League

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Mike Pyle was the captain of the 1960 Yale team


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Collorless raider
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Date Posted: 12:19:19 09/10/17 Sun

Played on same hs team with Mike. Great guy!

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: FCS playoffs


Author:
Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 17:06:32 09/10/17 Sun

I'm very aware of great Ivy teams like Dartmouth '65 and '70 (and Princeton '64 and Yale '68), but it's hard to rank them nationally due to lack of strong out of conference competition. Dartmouth HC Bob Blackman left the Indians after the great 1970 season to accept head job at Illinois. At his first press conference in Champaign Urbana, Blackman ruffled quite a few BIG feathers by giving his honest assessment that Illinois team he inherited "wasn't even close" in talent to his last Dartmouth team.

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