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Subject: Historical computer ratings


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voy vey
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Date Posted: 22:43:05 09/10/17 Sun
In reply to: remember it well 's message, "FCS playoffs" on 10:06:23 09/07/17 Thu

http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/output/CF_History.html

Gives another perspective on the teams from long ago, taking quality of opposition into account, arguably better than the pollsters would/did.

Computer ratings for the 1951 season:
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/output/1951/CF_1951_Ranking_Best.html
Princeton #16 (between UCLA and Oklahoma)
Penn #32 Cornell #42 Harvard #89 Yale #91 out of 116 Div. 1 teams.

1970:
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/output/1970/CF_1970_Ranking_Best.html
Dartmouth 9-0-0 team ranked #44.
Illinois ranked #56.

1965:
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/output/1965/CF_1965_Ranking_Best.html
Dartmouth 9-0-0 team ranked #17.

1955:
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/output/1955/CF_1955_Ranking_Best.html
Yale ranked #75 out of 110. Army #47.

1959:
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/output/1959/CF_1959_Ranking_Best.html
Dartmouth ranked #79, Yale #87, out of 112.

1960:
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/output/1960/CF_1960_Ranking_Best.html
Yale 9-0-0 team ranked #47 out of 113. Navy #27.

1964:
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/output/1964/CF_1964_Ranking_Best.html
Princeton 9-0-0 team ranked #9 out of 120.

1968:
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/output/1968/CF_1968_Ranking_Best.html
Yale 8-0-1 ranked #69 out of 119.
Harvard 8-0-1 ranked #71.

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Author:
Diogenes (voy vey)
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Date Posted: 08:15:36 09/11/17 Mon

Thank you for those links. Fascinating stuff. I was unaware of that site.

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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 13:09:32 09/11/17 Mon

Yes, thanks for providing the Sorenson rankings, they seem to have the ring of truth about them. One of the major distortions that they seem to deal with is the favoritism shown by Eastern sportswriters to the Service Academy teams in the 50's and 60's, when Army and Navy had fallen off their lofty perches. In the 50's, there seemed a presumption that Army in particular deserved a Top Ten ranking if it had a good record, when Cadets, post cheating scandal of early 50's, substantially eased their schedule with a mix of Colgate, Yale, lesser regional schools. Ivies also sometimes got a spot in lower reaches of Top Twenty more out of historical respect than actual on-field performance.

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voy vey
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Date Posted: 17:07:06 09/11/17 Mon

Agreed - by coldly taking into account who beat who (whom?) in any given year, the overall picture of Div. 1 football comes into better focus. Memphis Bill, I do think that an Eastern sportswriter bias (fake news 50 years ago?), would explain some of the higher-than-deserved poll rankings for programs that were previously top-notch but had subtly fallen down the pecking order (service academies, Ivies).

From that list I provided, the two teams that stand out as being very impressive are Princeton 1964 and Dartmouth 1965, ranked #9 and #17, respectively, in back-to-back years. Truly big-time results, almost a decade after the Agreement had stomped its boot on big-time Ivy football.

On a marginally-related topic, I find it amusing to this day that, occasionally, Yale being ranked #10 in 1981 by CBS Sports the week before the Princeton debacle is brought up as if it were a factual representation of the D-1 landscape at the time. In actuality, Yale received a #10 ranking in the weekly "Top 10" shown on the Sunday NFL pre-game show, NFL Today (yes, the one with Brent, Phyllis, Herb and Jimmy the Greek) -- and the ugly truth is that the #10 spot was almost always awarded _AS A JOKE_. I believe Slippery Rock got the #10 ranking at one point, for example.

For perspective, Yale finished the season ranked #79 out of 137 in 1981 in the Sorensen ratings. And the loss to Princeton surely doesn't account for a 69-position drop.
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/output/1981/CF_1981_Ranking_Best.html

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