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Subject: Re: Yale Basketball

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Date Posted: 16:23:54 11/28/17 Tue
In reply to: Old Eli 's message, "Re: Yale Basketball" on 15:21:23 11/28/17 Tue

I’m hoping to make the trip there someday to see Yale play Delaware in football.

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Date Posted: 11:48:33 01/17/18 Wed

In other threads, posters opine on whether Northwestern, Stanford or Duke should be our role models.

I'd like to suggest an alternative goal. I think that Delaware is a good role model for us. Here is my impression of the Delaware sports milieu:

Very good but not extravagant facilities, fun inclusive game-day experience, surprisingly strong base of local fans who support the team despite not all being alumni of the school, easy access to games including fun things to do in the downtown area before and after games, regular competitor in the FCS playoffs with a deep run from time to time and a national championship every once in a long while.

Locals remember and celebrate Delaware's success in the FCS playoffs which contributes to a local culture where going to the game on Saturday afternoon is just one of the things to do. It's like a very scaled down version of the culture in the South where people don't think twice about what they do on home game Saturdays.

I don't want to accept the academic sacrifices necessary to compete in FBS football. Forget Stanford and Duke. Delaware is a good, realistic goal. They're already using an Ivy League helmet. We're halfway there.

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Date Posted: 13:16:53 01/17/18 Wed

The vast majority of us recognize that it is impractical to try to duplicate how Stanford, Northwestern and Duke have been relatively successful competing in the Pac 12, Big Ten, and ACC. There is almost no support for trying to consistently compete at the Power 5 conference level.

That said, these three schools do provide useful insights into how they are able to recruit student athletes who can compete at the Ivy League academic level. There is ample room for the Ivies to recruit student athletes who meet our restrictive academic standards and can compete at the mid-major D1 sports level.

While Delaware may be a decent model for how to build a FCS football program, it does not have to compete at the same level academically. Delaware has a relatively easy admissions rate at 65% with an average GPA of 3.7 and average 600 SAT score. It is safe to assume that the average Delaware student athlete does not come close to meeting our AI standards.

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Date Posted: 13:52:25 01/17/18 Wed

Neither does the average football or basketball player at Northwestern, Duke or Stanford. That’s the whole point.

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Date Posted: 11:42:58 01/25/18 Thu

Joisey aptly summarizes the major logical flaw in the previous post by IvySportsJunkie.

Nobody disagrees that Stanford, Northwestern and Duke are great universities. (This is especially true of Stanford, which has already eclipsed most Ivies and is on its way to eclipsing all of us. Personally, I think Duke is overrated as a college and a university, but that's another post for another day.)

The point is that all three of Stanford, Northwestern and Duke run high major football and basketball programs with athletes who are not nearly the equal of Ivy athletes, Ivy undergraduates at large or even their own undergraduates at large.

Duke just recruited the top three basketball players in the class of 2018 nationwide, an incredible haul that makes Michigan's Fab Five class look like underachievers. At what point during the recruiting process do you think Coach Krzyzewski worried about checking the students' grades and SAT scores?

There is a gap in the academic qualifications on Ivy campuses between athletes and non-athletes. There is a chasm between those respective qualifications at Stanford, Northwestern and Duke.

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