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Subject: Re: Brown early decision commits


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Sr Punter
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Date Posted: 20:14:18 12/10/17 Sun
In reply to: Right to Bear Arms 's message, "Brown early decision commits" on 11:18:12 12/08/17 Fri

G & B, you have made the same post over and over.

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Grin and Bear it (Sr Punter)
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Date Posted: 21:14:26 12/10/17 Sun

That is because I can't seem to get through to you.

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Acob (Simmons)
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Date Posted: 11:14:50 12/11/17 Mon

The Simmons effort to diminish Brown athletics was enormous- But for the fierce response and dedication of the ever true Wrestling alums she might have succeeded . As it was she diminished Athletics so significantly it is only now there is some notable improvement.
Football raises broad questions. There needs to be a focused review turned into action from all aspects including staffing, admissions and recruiting.
Hayes must implement and make the calls that will provide for no compromise getting the job done including reaching understanding with and about coaches and the need to recruit defined winners. This is doable.

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Grin and Bear it (ACOB)
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Date Posted: 12:42:51 12/11/17 Mon

I agree 100% with what you said. We need a plan to follow to get back on track. Hopefully they are working on one now.

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Sr Punter (G & B)
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Date Posted: 15:22:45 12/11/17 Mon

I understand your view and respect your right to express it. I have even agreed with some of your observations. I too believe there a number of problems with Brown athletics and with Football in particular that need to be (and hopefully are being) addressed. I believe Hayes and Estes are capable of addressing them but they will need institutional and, perhaps, league assistance to be successful. I don't think replacing Estes would solve all, or any, of the problems, as you seem to believe. If you are "having difficulty getting thru to me" I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

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Grin and Bear it (Sr. Punter)
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Date Posted: 18:07:30 12/11/17 Mon

Spoken like a true gentleman. I know you love Brown and Brown football. I have no idea how old you are but I am old enough to have gone through the horrible period of the 1960s when Brown was far and away the worst team in the league. Their miserable record during those years was not fair to anyone, the alumni, the fans, the university's reputation, and most of all to the players. On the other hand, Dartmouth a great school in NH, but appreciably smaller than Brown, took a much different approach. They set out to dominate football and for the most part they succeeded. How was Dartmouth rewarded? Well for one thing, they were able to create a sense of pride that is alive and well to this day. In addition, with considerably less alums, they have a larger endowment than Brown. In other words, when alumni are proud of their alma mater they are much more inclined to open their wallets. Many years ago the president of Boston College was brought before the faculty to explain why the football coach was being paid $500,000 when professors were topping out at $100,000. The wise man's reply, "When you bring in $10,000,000 in donations, I will up your pay to $500,000". He then turned and walked away. True story. To make another reference, past Brown president Vartan Gregorian once commented that "whatever we do, we must do with excellence". He then organized a committee to find out why Brown football had fallen so flat, years 1988-1993. Sr. Punter, those who stand by and say nothing or continue to support the current regime in the face of increasingly poor results, are part of the problem. For anyone who cares, and we all should, we need to express the view that we are not going back to the 1960s. We demand accountability, and if you (Estes) are in charge, you had better explain what has been going on that resulted in this year's disgraceful results.

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