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Subject: Re: 2017 Ivy football attendance & NBCSN TV ratings


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Old Eli
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Date Posted: 21:30:33 12/15/17 Fri
In reply to: voy vey 's message, "2017 Ivy football attendance & NBCSN TV ratings" on 16:36:20 12/14/17 Thu

Attendance is a problem across the college sports universe today, including the issue of getting students to attend.

The Ivies would never be able to compete in FBS football. There is no more reason to assume success there than we see in the NCAA basketball tournament.

Stanford is a unicorn, and has athletic resources that no Ivy can afford or would want to afford. None of us could dream of being a Stanford athletically.

The Ivies are what they are and one could argue the FBS schools should wish they were us - with true student athletes and a better balance between athletics and academics - rather than vice versa.

Finally, a point those of us who love Ivy League sports often conveniently forget is that our views on athletics are not shared universally across our schools' communities, and there are those in these institutions who don't like athletics and don't like the level of resources they already draw.

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Football Fanatic
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Date Posted: 23:09:32 12/15/17 Fri

Well said old Eli, and the reason we will never be truly competitive in FCS outside the Ivy. I will never understand why supposedly liberal thinking Ivly schools discriminate against football in favor of hockey,lacrosse, basketball and other D1 sports.

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Steve Mathiason
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Date Posted: 09:58:38 12/16/17 Sat

I don't think the Ivies could compete with Power 5 FBS competition on a regular basis. I do believe they could be a decent mid-major FBS league, a la the Sun Belt, MAC, or CUSA. However, most of their games would be within the league with OOC games against teams they could compete with, along with the FCS team or two. Bowl Games need not be a factor. Just a return to the highest overall bracket would help with attendance and the like.

Nothing is cast in stone forever. For years many of us thought they would never see a true spring practice or a tenth game!

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roar Lion
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Date Posted: 13:24:43 12/16/17 Sat

A midmajor FBS school is spending $20 million a year on football and losing money. The players are under intense pressure to maximize sports time, minimize classroom time. The Ivies compete at a higher level in basketball, soccer and hockey because it is affordable to do so. You don't need 20 FTEs and $5m in financial aid to support a basketball team the way you do in D1 football. Would it be better for Penn to spend $3m on a head coach and lower its academic standards (and demands) so alumni could watch a game vs. Rice or Wake Forest instead of a game vs. Holy Cross or Lehigh? The level of Ivy football is quite good, the players are actual students who graduate at nearly 100% rates and enjoy professional success. We ought to be delighted with the product we've got.

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Author:
Steve Mathiason
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Date Posted: 16:21:35 12/16/17 Sat

I think Ivy fans are happy, generally. There is room for improvement. The problem isn't so much what the Ivies are or are not doing, as much as it is how Division I football is structured currently. Its almost set up so that many D-I programs are guaranteed to lose money. It needs to be loosened somewhat to enable teams to make the commitment they can afford to and still compete.

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