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Subject: Santos to Brown


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Acob
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Date Posted: 19:26:04 12/17/17 Sun

Several sources suggest strongly Sheehan out and Columbia’s Santos in as Offensive Coordinator. Likely coach Quarterbacks.
Stay tuned.

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[> Subject: Congrats to Brown


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LionFan
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Date Posted: 21:54:58 12/17/17 Sun

Great hire, sad to see him go. Hill was much improved this season. I wonder how much he had to do with game planning for Lions?

Good luck to Coach Santos.

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[> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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Grin and Bear it
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Date Posted: 22:09:24 12/17/17 Sun

If true, it is a big step in the right direction. Santos is just the kind of coach Brown needs. He is a local guy who had an outstanding career at UNH. But most of all he is new blood.

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[> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 08:29:02 12/18/17 Mon


Seems like Santos is trading (relative) job security for a promotion.

To put it mildly, Bagnoli seems more secure than Estes going into the offseason...

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[> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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Lion rooter
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Date Posted: 15:20:36 12/18/17 Mon

LOL - one and done !

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[> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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OldLion
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Date Posted: 22:13:04 12/19/17 Tue

Santos turns down Brown offer, staying at columbia

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[> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 08:36:49 12/20/17 Wed


Can't blame him for choosing stability.

If Columbia remains competitive, he should get additional opportunities elsewhere.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


Author:
Acob (Yes or no)
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Date Posted: 18:07:40 12/20/17 Wed

Sourc s keep saying Santos to Brown-,
Estes is say what you will in dire need of a quality move.
It could not have been other than painful to make changes he made.
Hayes the AD has to support quality and geography as well as money,
If Estes has a vanilla hire he risks mediocre results leading to a shaky retention situation.
What is the answer.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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BrownFan1
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Date Posted: 18:00:10 12/26/17 Tue

HCE and Jack handled the Santos sitautation like they handled the last few seasons - a cluster! No Plan A secures nor a Plan B to have in the wings.

Now they sit here trying to recruit Offensive play-makers with no OC scheme to recruit the right players and no OC in place to evaluate talent to fit the system.

Another Cluster!!!

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[> [> [> Subject: Cluster what


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 08:01:28 12/27/17 Wed

LOL

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[> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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Acob (Brown Fan what is it)
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Date Posted: 09:06:54 12/27/17 Wed

Where did this go wrong if you know?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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Counsellor
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Date Posted: 14:01:05 12/27/17 Wed

Where did it go wrong? As I advised he was granted a more grandiose title and more $$$ at Columbia ...unless you are willing to roll the dice at a new
at a new institution you play it safe...Brown does not need that kind of character...better he bailed ...

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Seriously?


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LionFan
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Date Posted: 16:35:52 12/27/17 Wed

Brown does not need that kind of character???

You sit in judgment of character of a person you dont know, never met? Based on information you dont have?

Seems Santos character is strong enough that he did not flee a program he is invested in for more money and a bigger title at Brown. I have little doubt the money that comes with coordinator title is greater then whatever Columbia offered to have him stay. So he stayed for less money and less title, that is bad character?

Has Santos jumped around chasing better jobs? He is invested in Columbia, the players and loyal to the program. He obviously considered the job and did not trust the stability or commitment at Brown.

He knows what Columbia has, he looked at what Brown has and he chose to stay at Columbia. Deal with it dont sit and insult a man's character because you are a fan/alum of a flawed program.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Seriously?


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 08:09:02 12/28/17 Thu

Even if he stayed at Columbia for more money or a bigger title or role, that would not be a character flaw, especially if he has no particular, affirmative reason to want to leave Columbia. There are countless people of good character who decide to turn down an offer to take a job when a current employer matches or exceeds the offer.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: What bizarro-world did I wake up in, where....


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voy vey
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Date Posted: 12:59:42 12/28/17 Thu

...supporters of Columbia -- historically, arguably the most "flawed program" in FCS's existence -- are looking down, with turned-up noses, at other schools' flawed programs?!

I say that to emphasize how quickly things can change in a year's time, and not as a knock on Columbia supporters, nor Brown supporters, for that matter.

What a difference a year can make!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What bizarro-world did I wake up in, where....


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EliTown
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Date Posted: 20:10:55 12/28/17 Thu

They are not looking down on anyone, they are in no position to do so. It is simply the offer of expert testimony.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What bizarro-world did I wake up in, where....


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LionFan
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Date Posted: 00:06:22 12/29/17 Fri

No one is looking down at Brown. Simply looking down on directing frustrations over the current status of Brown's program at trashing a young coach's character

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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Able Beach
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Date Posted: 01:15:51 12/28/17 Thu

Respectfully, we don’t need anyone from Brown bad mouthing Santos or his decision. Santos was one of the best FCS QBs last twenty years, helped Chip Kelley Pioneer his offense, and I imagine will grow to be a stud coach. Being a young quarterback coach he probably knows exactly what he has in his QB room at Columbia, and probably didn’t have a great feel with what he may have at Brown. We will improve and there is plenty of great coaches out there. Coach Estes has a deep network, no surprise Santos was probably first choice. Maybe someday Santos will come on over to Providence and we would be lucky.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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IvyVoyeur
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Date Posted: 12:49:29 12/28/17 Thu

It must be strange to be someone like Santos and have complete strangers comment on and debate your career decisions and personal motivation. Did people do that before social media?

By the way, Santos's job description on the CU official site hasn't changed, and his salary is not public. So where did those comments come from?

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[> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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Ever True
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Date Posted: 15:31:11 01/17/18 Wed

According to the Brown Football Twitter account, Kevin Decker has been promoted to Offensive Coordinator and QB coach.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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Counsellor
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Date Posted: 19:29:44 01/17/18 Wed

And a new O-line coach and a new defensive assistant...

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[> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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Jon
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Date Posted: 17:23:10 01/17/18 Wed

Kevin Decker is a great young football mind and motivator

A great person

Going to be a huge success!

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[> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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Counsellor
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Date Posted: 22:17:02 01/22/18 Mon

Brown is revamping its coaching/programs/schemes/focuses under the UNH model which has been a FCS standout for many years....coaches with UNH backgrounds are being installed to implement the UNH model....an excitement and enthusiasm is being generated...needed changes are being implemented....the final renovations relating to coaching and team group space are being completed relating to the 12 mill plus initiative...new era for Brown football has now commenced....another new coach to be installed shortly on top of the new O-line coach and OC (both from UNH) and the newly hired alum with recent experience at UCF and Duke.....big-time shakeup - to breed a new spirit on the field...credit to Estes (UNH grad)for recognizing the need to revamp ...

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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Grin and Bear it (Estes)
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Date Posted: 16:58:47 01/23/18 Tue

Truthfully Estes had no choice but to shake up the coaching staff. The past season was disgraceful and change was not needed, it was demanded. Estes strikes me as a loyal guy so it must have been difficult to pink slip some of the old guard. Yet, Brown's demise did not just appear. It had been going on for at least 5 years, progressively getting worse until last season's debacle. Will the shake up produce immediate results? Probably not. But hopefully results will improve over time. Should we applaud Estes for the changes? No, as noted earlier Estes was forced to make the changes and at this point we have no idea how they will work out. Brown is not UNH and a lot of damage must be undone. Furthermore, if the problem is Estes, then changing assistant coaches will not help. Before we start applauding, let's see how things play out.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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PennLB
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Date Posted: 17:20:54 01/23/18 Tue

Dont expect much to change.

Decker Im sure is a fine young man and solid ball coach. But he has been an offensive assistant. He has been in meetings, building playbook, compiling gameplan, half time adjustments and such. And what else? So has Estes.

Brown's demise started somewhere far from the the Coaches' offices.

I promise you without personally knowing the parties involved that these new assistants are no better (or worse) then those old assistants. Change can be sold as a movement for alumni's sake and maybe a little wind in recruiting sails.

But the institutional issues that let a great coach like Estes hit rock bottom will be there regardless of assistant coaches.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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Counsellor
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Date Posted: 22:09:27 01/24/18 Wed

“I promise you without personally knowing the parties...” says it all....

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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BrownFan1 (PennLB)
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Date Posted: 11:19:12 01/25/18 Thu

You nailed it! “Nothing much will change..”

Estes universe stretches from New Hampshire to Rhode Island. Leave to him to go after an assistant offensive coach for the OC role. Not a surprise considering that Estes always grabs the play calling when he is in a pinch. He will do the same thing with a JV OC.

Estes move with the OC role is right in line with his poor desxiaikn making of the last few years.

He fires Sheehan to save his own job and then will frame it as... “we need a couple more years as the OC gets settled into the seat.”

HCE has run this thing into the ground and blamed it others.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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Counsellor
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Date Posted: 14:09:49 01/27/18 Sat

Estes solving the O-line issue with a number of big/time recruits
including Jack Doty out of Iona Prep offered by Md., Fordham and Columbia..another 6' 7 commit this weekend comes out of La. - Zach Harris..Brown was the last official visit for both and determined to be their best fits after months of touring ....a big Andover O lineman commit will add further size to a position emphasized in this round of recruiting...congrats to the staff in bringing home these outstanding athletes!

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Iona is a great school


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 14:13:48 01/27/18 Sat

with good football, I know because I went there :)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Iona is a great school


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Counsellor
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Date Posted: 22:44:52 01/31/18 Wed

Gabe Sanchez, a solid 6' 5"' 220 lb TE from Modesto, Ca to Brown over AF, No Arizona and Fresno State...solid, plays big, good hands, runs his routes ...wants a career in medicine....one of Brown's last spots in a 26 spots year...believe one spot left....

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[> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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Right to Bear Arms
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Date Posted: 11:53:36 02/01/18 Thu

You know of 25 guys? I would really appeciate a list!

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[> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


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CatsFan
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Date Posted: 18:36:23 02/22/18 Thu

Ricky Santos accepted the QB’s position at his alma mater UNH only to back out after a week to go back to New York. Anyone know if he still has a job at Columbia? Apparently he did the same thing with Brown. Has a girlfriend in NY who may be expecting.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Santos to Brown


Author:
Paddy
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Date Posted: 19:27:48 02/22/18 Thu

His bio is back up on the the Lion’s website after being taken off for the past week or so.

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