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Subject: Re: Northwestern- An Alternative Model to the Ivy League


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M3
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Date Posted: 18:04:55 12/31/17 Sun
In reply to: Son of Eli 's message, "Northwestern- An Alternative Model to the Ivy League" on 10:30:06 12/30/17 Sat

The quality of Ivy League football is no worse now than it was 25 years ago.

This reflected by the number of Ivy League grads playing in the NFL.

The problem is attendance which is a demographic problem related to the changing student body at Ivy schools.

Simply put sports in general and football in particular is not that important to Ivy students.

They do not go to games as undergrads and do not go as alumni.

11 games and FBS playoffs are not going to change that.

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Author:
Steve Mathiason
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Date Posted: 02:16:56 01/01/18 Mon

M3, I can understand your frustration, but here are a couple of points that might help.....

1) Ivy students have shown that they will support their teams if they perceive that the school is making a best-effort to compete in other sports where they are nationally competitive.

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2) Back in the day, when Ivy schools were routinely playing in front of tens of thousands of fans, we all know that those crowds were not loaded with students- the student bodies were never big enough. Rather, the strong majority came from the general public. Fans from the general public are what's missing now.

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Eastern Sports Fan
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Date Posted: 15:10:59 01/01/18 Mon

"when Ivy schools were routinely playing in front of tens of thousands of fans."

When was that? The 40's?

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Author:
remember it well (ESF)
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Date Posted: 15:25:12 01/01/18 Mon

For Yale 60's 70's and and certainly through 81 and that was without any The Game inflating the average attendance.

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Eastern Sports Fan
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Date Posted: 21:53:31 01/01/18 Mon

"...without The Game inflating the average attendance"?

So you're saying Yale was averaging 65,000 if The Game was at your place since the average wasn't inflated. Anyway I don't think you're remembering very well these days. Ivy Teams(Plural) are not defined by just 2 or 3 schools.

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M3
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Date Posted: 09:06:05 01/01/18 Mon

Your point is good.

The question then is how good do Ivies have to become in order to bring back the non alum college football fan in the Northeast.

I think the schools would need to be competing had a mid ACC level
(think Duke, Wake Forest,UVa) to make it happen.

That would be a huge financial and philosophical (in terms of AI changes) commitment which I think only half the league (at best) would be willing or able to do.

With that said I could imagine Cornell saying what am I getting out of this athletic deal (not much) and becoming the Stanford of the East and Duke of the North and joining the ACC.

HYP effectively have scholarships for middle and low income athletes thanks to there large endowments but do not have to call them that -big recruiting advantage in the non preppy sports.

In the short term however the Ivy schools like their brand and have plenty of applicants.

Do not look for any change soon.

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Bubba
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Date Posted: 14:43:17 01/09/18 Tue

A real issue in todays' League schools.

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