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Subject: How Do You Define "Work"?


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 00:08:19 01/03/18 Wed
In reply to: DFW HOYA 's message, "Re: Northwestern- An Alternative Model to the Ivy League" on 22:58:14 01/02/18 Tue

This is a timely topic in that just tonight I had dinner with two guys who went to law school at Stanford. Unprompted, they both mentioned that they thought the athletes were a cut below the rest of the student body academically and were socially isolated. Now, granted, these two guys were Ivy undergraduate alumni in law school so I don't know how much personal exposure they had to undergraduate athletes (or non-athletes, for that matter). Maybe they were just Ivy snobs, although by personality neither one fits that description. So consider their opinion very anecdotal.

But I for one do not believe that it is possible to compete for championships in football and men's basketball in Power 5 conferences with AI-level academic standards for athletes.

I accept 100% the premise that Stanford is a preeminent university on its way to becoming the preeminent university in America. But the real question is how one defines "work" in the phrase "if it can work at Stanford."

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Calvin
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Date Posted: 08:38:32 01/03/18 Wed

This has been my understanding too. Of course there are exceptions, as there are at large public colleges who can produce football Rhodes Scholars from time to time (example - Florida State's Myron Rolle, currently a neurosurgeon), but I don't think that's very typical.

A related question is - why do schools like Stanford and Northwestern have student bodies that seem much more passionate than ivy students about their sports teams, if they are drawn from the same pool as ivy students, and assuming that the dichotomy between athletes and general student body exists? Can it be really ascribed to a regional attitude thing, considering that all these schools draw from around the country? And are the ivies really more liberal (read = sports antipathy) institutionally than a California school outside San Francisco?

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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 11:11:52 01/03/18 Wed

I wouldn’t be so quick to include basketball with football. Since the revival of Ivy B-ball in the post-AI world in 1989, Princeton (especially in 1998), Penn and Cornell have made runs at the Top Ten, and other mid-majors have gone to the Final Four. It only takes five good players, a strong schedule, excellent coaching, and some good luck (especially regarding injuries).

Football, by comparison, is a huge industrial debacle.

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Go Green
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Date Posted: 11:39:58 01/03/18 Wed


It was basketball (and arguably hockey) that served as the bases for the creation of the AI.

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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 20:24:19 01/03/18 Wed

Absolutely true, and the AI turned out to work fine in both cases.

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