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Subject: Re: Northwestern- An Alternative Model to the Ivy League


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IvySportsJunkie
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Date Posted: 18:28:53 01/11/18 Thu
In reply to: Son of Eli 's message, "Northwestern- An Alternative Model to the Ivy League" on 10:30:06 12/30/17 Sat

While it may not happen overnight, I strongly believe that we can compete with the second tier of FBS conferences without having to lower the AI. The fact that Stanford competes well in the Pac 12 conference with over 60% of their team majoring in Stanford's very rigorous STEM majors reinforces this point. The vast majority of their team easily meets our AI standards for both GPA and SAT scores.

I am not suggesting we can be Stanford, but we clearly can compete at the MAC, Conference USA and Sun Belt level for the second tier of D1 recruits. I remember how prior to the FCS spilt in 1978, we were able to annually recruit 5 to 10 football recruits who were actively recruited by Power 5 conference teams. This was prior to our enhanced financial aid packages of today that effectively are near full scholarships for most of our prime recruits. It may take a decade to restore our competitiveness at second tier of FBS, but the recent successful of our basketball teams recruiting 4 star, top 100 ranked players is a good illustration of how our improved FA packages opens up many new doors. Given the steady rising of academic rankings for Stanford, Duke and Northwestern should make it easier for a path to potentially be pursued, if we can get administrative support.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Northwestern- An Alternative Model to the Ivy League


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Steve Mathiason
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Date Posted: 20:28:12 01/11/18 Thu

Correct, and if the Ivy League TRULY wantede to show the college football world a "better way", it would not be by allowing itself to fall into obscurity. Rather, it would be by climbing to a bigger level of visibility.

The Ivy League really has a chance to be a positive influence on the college football landscape. First, though, it must strive to become at least an influence.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Northwestern- An Alternative Model to the Ivy League


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Sprint66
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Date Posted: 22:06:33 01/11/18 Thu

One of the problems with the Ivy League today is we are no longer relevant at least in football. There are only maybe a dozen (per program) of us on this board who even post for our respective schools. Cornell's been losing in football for so many years I am one of the few who even posts anything on this board. Attendance is so poor at Cornell I doubt they'll ever rebuild the West Stands and I am afraid we're in the same position as Boston University, Hofstra, and Northeastern who all dropped their football programs due to poor attendance and no interest among either students or alumni. I think President Martha Pollack would shut this program down if it were just her decision.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Northwestern- An Alternative Model to the Ivy League


Author:
Steve Mathiason
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Date Posted: 22:22:37 01/11/18 Thu

If even one of the Ivy schools drops varsity football, I think the league will possibly drop football as a sponsored sport. If that happens, its every school for itself.

In that scenario, Yale, Harvard, Princeton and Penn probably go FBS eventually (I know the rules bout joining a league, etc, but). Brown, Dartmouth, and Columbia might be FCS Indies, or maybe join the Patriot.

I think its the magic number of 8 that keeps the league a football league.

Think hockey- its not an Ivy conference, but the schools play in another league

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Nah


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 09:09:06 01/12/18 Fri


My gut is that if one school (Brown, Cornell most likely) dropped football, the others would kick them out of the Ivy and find a replacement (most likely from the PL).

Among other things, too many Ivies have made capital improvements to their football facilities to pull the plug just because another team wants to quit.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Northwestern- An Alternative Model to the Ivy League


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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 22:10:45 01/11/18 Thu

It may not be an option for our League to languish in the football backwaters. One could easily see a day when the academic top ten included Stanford, Northwestern and Duke--and NOT Brown, Dartmouth and Cornell. Indeed, we are very close to being there already. The Ivies are suffering from a self-inflicted wound by not taking the relatively modest steps to resume play in FBS.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: What makes you think these "modest steps" are open to us, Memphis Bill?


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Observer
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Date Posted: 08:40:31 01/12/18 Fri

HYP may possibly have had the option to stay in the so-called "FBS" group, due to stadium size being the criteria at the time, but the rest of the Ivies were unceremoniously kicked out, weren't they? HYP chose to leave rather than abandon the their Ivy colleagues. What "modest steps", exactly, are you talking about?

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Preserving my objection for the record


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 09:47:41 01/12/18 Fri


Just noting my continuing objection that "Y" was the only one that satisfied the attendance criteria at the time, and that "Y" chose to join the other seven in I-AA.

Otherwise, pay me no heed and continue with the substantive discussion.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Preserving my objection for the record


Author:
old blue
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Date Posted: 10:18:27 01/12/18 Fri

gentlemen; mr go green objection although duly noted would be partially overuled on the factual basis our blue and the cantabs both met the alternative requirements of an average of 17k and 30k stadium capacity in 1981. the cornelians;bears,lions and indians did not meet either requirement. it would be interesting to see which teams in the major league also met the attendance requirement.

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