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Subject: Re: Ivy TV schedule released


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voy vey
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Date Posted: 17:09:14 06/01/18 Fri
In reply to: Son of Eli 's message, "Re: Ivy TV schedule released" on 16:50:22 06/01/18 Fri

The championship game had 374,000 viewers on ESPN2. Down from last year, where Ohio St/Maryland was watched by 416,000.

Yale's Saturday semi-final game had 149,000 viewers. Duke/Maryland in a better time slot got 185,000. Both those numbers were down from last year, where the two semi-finals averaged about 250,000, but last year's semi's were on ESPN2, not ESPNU.

FWIW, the NCAA softball tournament gets numbers as good or better on ESPN2. And, their ESPN numbers are significantly better (from 500,000 to near a million), but that's to be expected, given "the big channel's" stature.

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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 17:38:14 06/01/18 Fri

Thank you Voy Vey. Hopefully these #'s will be enough to justify the Yale-Harvard Football game being broadcast on ESPN 2.

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voy vey
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Date Posted: 19:37:48 06/01/18 Fri

My guess is that it will probably be determined more by what other games ESPN has the rights to, and what time blocks the various schools (including Y & H) are willing to accept.

I suppose ESPN2 is possible. Last year, they had Auburn vs. Louisiana-Monroe in the Noon time slot. 526,000 viewers.
Then Kansas State / Oklahoma State at 3:30. 831,000 viewers. I don't know that they'd bump a Big 12 game for Y-H, but if they're putting an Auburn vs. creampuff game in the early slot, maybe they'd consider Y-H there.

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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 20:24:10 06/01/18 Fri

It would be great for Yale and Harvard football to get that kind of national exposure. The Game was lost on CNBC, whose normal Saturday afternoon programming was infomercials. Hopefully the novelty of playing at Fenway will be enough to get the game on ESPN 2.

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Calvin
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Date Posted: 18:03:07 06/02/18 Sat

I'm sure they are aware they could get a larger audience of Auburn fans watching an intrasquad scrimmage than an Ivy League game.

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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 07:55:35 06/03/18 Sun

There's a reason the TV listings still list the Yale-Harvard game channel as "TBA". They aren't considering between choosing ESPNU and ESPN+. I think if the Yale-Harvard game has Ivy title implications it will be on ESPN2. Remember in 2014 ESPN chose Yale-Harvard as their College Gameday broadcast in such a scenario. With th game already sold out I sure the league will be pushing for ESPN2, as will ESPN/Yale sponsor Under Armour.

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voy vey
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Date Posted: 08:29:46 06/05/18 Tue

I'm sure CBS is aware they could get a larger audience of Auburn fans watching an intrasquad scrimmage than an the Army/Navy game. Yet, they broadcast the latter and not the former.

Ultimately, this much is known: there will be six Ivy football games on "linear" (a.k.a., cable) ESPN channels. Five on Friday nights on ESPNU. One on a Saturday, with kickoff time and network TBD. The other 22 Ivy games will be streamed on ESPN+.

The only options for the "TBD" broadcast are:
ESPN (no way)
ESPN2 (possibility)
ESPNU (possibility)
ESPN Classic (possibility)
ESPNews (generally only broadcasts live events if they run over their broadcast window or otherwise get postponed)
ESPN Deportes (Spanish-language channel only)

Since the rest of the Ivy package is on ESPNU, it seems unlikely that Y/H is "TBD" because they are considering shifting it to Classic instead. If those were the two choices, it would make much more sense to leave it on ESPNU and build stability into the package. ESPN Classic is a possibility, but not an obvious choice, IMO. (FWIW, Classic would be demotion, as it's in far fewer homes than ESPNU.)

That leaves the scenario that they're deciding between ESPNU and ESPN2. Again, if there was zero chance of the game making ESPN2, they would have simply released the schedule with six games already announced for ESPNU. My take is that there's a chance that The Game will be on ESPN2, but will more likely wind up on ESPNU, and that the decision will be driven by things like Ivy title implications, what other games Bristol has the rights to broadcast, which time slots those other schools are willing to fit into, how those other schools are faring in 2018 (for example, Auburn vs. creampuff is attractive if Auburn is in the CFP picture, not so much if Auburn is 5-5), etc.

Time will tell but ESPNU is probably the front-runner, with ESPN2 possible, Classic a longshot, and News very unlikely.

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Calvin
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Date Posted: 09:14:25 06/05/18 Tue

"I'm sure CBS is aware they could get a larger audience of Auburn fans watching an intrasquad scrimmage than an the Army/Navy game."

Probably not the case (although a real Auburn-Alabama game would differ).

https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-sports/army-navy-game/2017/12/12/army-navy-tv-ratings-hit-23-year-high/

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voy vey
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Date Posted: 13:12:18 06/05/18 Tue

...and if Yale/Harvard -- or any other rivalry game -- had a day with no other college games whatsoever, a late afternoon start time, and throw in a blizzard to boot, I think the rating would please all constituents.

Not trying to discount the spectacle that is A/N. It's appointment viewing for me every year. In fact, the only non-Ivy game that I go out of my way to sit and watch start to finish.

The point is, network and time slot matter. The very same sporting event will get vastly-larger rating on ESPN or one of the over-the-air networks than it will get on ESPN2, NBCSN, FS1, etc. And an event on ESPN2 would out-rate FS1. Households receiving the channel, pay tier, channel location on the dial, etc.

Put Y/H on CBS at 3pm on Dec. 11 with no competition and it'll do just fine. Auburn scrimmage on ESPN Classic, not so much. Everything's relative.

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An Observer
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Date Posted: 20:50:21 06/02/18 Sat

Although it might not reflect the viewing habits of the posters on this board, I infer that softball is almost universally more popular than lacrosse.

For many years, ESPN2 would air the national championship game in Division I men's lacrosse at 11:00 AM, requiring the inconvenient early start in order to make way for an early round women's softball game at 1:00 PM. Invariably, the lacrosse game would run until 1:15 or so, causing ESPN2 to switch to softball the moment the final horn sounded in lacrosse, with no scenes of jubilant players or interviews with coaches.

Clearly, lacrosse has a long way to go to catch up to softball.

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Ivy wanna be
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Date Posted: 11:08:55 06/05/18 Tue


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Right to Bear Arms
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Date Posted: 13:58:47 06/05/18 Tue

I agree. Lacrosse has to reach a point where normal people want to play, and it’s no longer limited to having only affluent participants...

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Ivy wanna be
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Date Posted: 14:55:09 06/05/18 Tue

Lacrosse is as down home and nasty as hockey or football... white Collar game, If that’s what you think . You better take another look at the game, I suggest cleaning your glasses.
When has college Softball ever drawn 25,000 to 30,000 people in the stands. Baseball is boring , as boring can be. Take a kid to a game, see which one he or she would go back too. It would be Lacrosse,

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Uptown
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Date Posted: 21:04:09 06/05/18 Tue

That's because kids love watching other kids poke each other with sticks.

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Sprint66
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Date Posted: 21:55:47 06/05/18 Tue

While lacrosse may be a prep school sport in some regions, here in Upstate New York it's still fairly middle class with power house programs like West Genesee in Syracuse and Victor in Rochester. Yale's Ben Reeves came out of Class D Pal-Mac which is located between Rochester and Syracuse.
Albany is fortunate to get some of those native Indian players who are talented at both box and field lacrosse. Tough kids who can really shoot the ball.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Lacrosse is growing in Texas, California, Colorado, Florida etc.


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Diogenes
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Date Posted: 23:08:05 06/05/18 Tue

Young football players are starting to play lacrosse all over the country. Bigger, faster, tougher. A generation from now, lacrosse will be a national sport played by the same young men who now play high school football.

The athleticism and skills of today’s great lacrosse teams (such as Yale) will continue to grow in the years ahead.

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Right to Bear Arms
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Date Posted: 09:30:10 06/06/18 Wed

According to the lacrosse participation survey, in 2016 more US highschools supported bowling (2708) than they did lacrosse (2572)

https://www.uslacrosse.org/about-us-lacrosse/participation-survey

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Diogenes (Right to Bear Arms)
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Date Posted: 11:34:29 06/06/18 Wed

Correct. And in 2016, there were 825,000 lacrosse players in the U.S., up from 275,000 high school players in 2011. Don’t know the current numbers. The sport is growing very rapidly.

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