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Subject: Re: Best position units in Ivy ?


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Ivy Patriot
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Date Posted: 10:59:35 07/12/18 Thu
In reply to: Bulldogfan'72 's message, "Best position units in Ivy ?" on 15:52:09 07/11/18 Wed

"I can't remember the last time that a Dartmouth recruiting class was one of the top two or three in the Ivies. Yet, somehow, the coaching staff is able to develop many of them into all-ivy performers. So how do they do it?"

Among other things it's a reminder that recruiting rankings at the FCS level are totally useless.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Best position units in Ivy ?


Author:
Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 13:27:36 07/12/18 Thu

Rankings of recruits by 247 and Rivals are subject to some skepticism, as various posters have pointed out. However, the star rankings are not, as suggested by Ivy Patriot, in any way differentiated between FBS and FCS prospects, hence all the excitement about the Princeton QB prospect coming in with a 4* ranking. Dartmouth must have a knack for finding diamonds in the rough, as it is incontrovertible that their recruits have not, over recent years, snagged the number of stars that we see at Penn, Harvard, Yale (and lately Columbia).

Posters are correct that Ivy talent has gone up after a long period of decline when the League was demoted to I-AA, and Presidents were almost without exception not supportive. However, if one goes back to the first 25 years when the League was considered at least a Mid-Major, some of the talent shown on specific teams was really exceptional. Yale's class of recruits in 1965(Cozza's first)
Would have, I am pretty sure, been ranked in the top 25 nationally that year, what with the top QB prospect in Ohio (Dowling), and the top tight end and top over-all athletic prospect in the nation, plus a few others at the all-state level. Of course, that was back in the stone age when most of the allegedly big time schools did not have recruiting down to a science, and half the major conferences practiced de jure racial discrimination (and the other half were pretty much de facto).

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[> [> [> Subject: Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, Jim Nance, Floyd Little


Author:
Diogenes (Memphis Bill)
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Date Posted: 13:39:39 07/12/18 Thu

Victims of racial discrimination?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Best position units in Ivy ?


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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 14:27:56 07/12/18 Thu

The Syracuse situation proves my point--a relatively small upstate NY private school could, in the 50's and 60's, compete on the national stage because it was relatively color-blind in its approach to recruiting ballplayers. That Syracuse was able to beat Texas in the 1960 Cotton Bowl is evidence that superstars like Ernie Davis, who could not have played for the Longhorns, made a huge difference that segregated powerhouses could not equal. Btw, there was a biopic on Ernie Davis, I think it was called "The Express," where the Cotton Bowl game was depicted in great detail, with Texas ballplayers free in their use of racial slurs before coming out on the short end of the score. The Texas coach, Darrell Royal, looked back on that game with great shame....

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Jim Parker was my hero


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Diogenes (Memphis Bill)
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Date Posted: 20:23:05 07/12/18 Thu

In my view, Jim Parker was the best lineman in football history. Parker was black, played for Woody Hayes in the mid-fifties and for the Colts from the late 50’s to the late 60’s. He was not only a unanimous All-American, he got votes for the Heisman and was All-Pro. My coaches in high school and college showed us 16 millimeter films of Jim Parker.

Segregation died in football and basketball long before it died elsewhere. I had black teammates and played against many blacks in junior high, high school and college. Our 1965 undefeated Lambert Trophy team had black players and one of them, Edgar Holley, was a first team All-Ivy linebacker just before Calvin Hill arrived. Young athletes today can’t even imagine how intensely we followed the Bill Russell/Wilt Chamberlin duels or how the great USF and Cincinnati basketball teams captured our imaginations.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Jim Parker was my hero


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sparman
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Date Posted: 21:20:08 07/12/18 Thu

It was said of Parker that he never left the practice field if he did not think he had improved from the day before.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Jim Parker was my hero


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Michael Valmas (Reverential)
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Date Posted: 10:36:01 07/13/18 Fri

Very well said by you and Diogenes- thank you, both!

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[> [> Subject: Edgar Holley


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 21:16:16 07/12/18 Thu

is a name I haven't heard in a long long time, good thing I am old enough to remember him

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Edgar Holley


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Diogenes (holtsledge)
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Date Posted: 12:17:40 07/13/18 Fri

Edgar picked up an MBA from Chicago after he graduated. He was the real deal on and off the field.

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