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Subject: I also wonder...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 15:34:40 09/25/18 Tue
In reply to: An Observer 's message, "The Draw of City Living for Young People" on 17:22:25 09/12/18 Wed


I also wonder if the primary reason for Penn's rise in the USN&WR (i.e., Philly being a nicer place to live) is directly related to its stunning collapse in football attendance.

I get that football attendance is down across the board nationwide. But Penn clearly has had the biggest drops in the past few decades on that front. Are Penn students finding more things to do in Philly than the old days when campus and/or crowds was a safe haven?

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An Observer
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Date Posted: 15:23:18 09/26/18 Wed

I'm guessing that these are simply two coincident trends.

Football attendance, both NFL and especially college, is falling all across the country. This is a relatively new phenomenon, say, less than a decade old. It has now reached worrisome levels.

Paul Finebaum just spoke minutes ago about he speaks to athletic directors all over the country who are very concerned because they've noticed that the canary has died. And of course he's talking to Power Five ADs. I gather that both the first and second derivatives are going in the wrong direction. Attendance is declining and the deterioration is accelerating.

Finebaum broadcasts from Tuscaloosa every Saturday on game day and he reports that, when he asks students on campus whether they are going to the game, the usual answer now is, "Why should I? I've got a 46-inch high definition television, a roomful of buddies and a fridge full of cold ones."

West Philadelphia, like most US urban areas, has been on a slow climb of improvement since bottoming out at the most severe point of the nation's crack cocaine crisis in the late 1980s.

While both trends are going right now, I don't think you can say anything specific connecting football attendance at Penn and its popularity as a college.

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An Observer
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Date Posted: 10:11:41 09/27/18 Thu

Go Green, you mentioned Penn's impressive rise in the US News college rankings from the first years of the list in the 1980s through the late 1990s. Yes, that rise happened to coincide with the early improvement in urban crime rates. West Philadelphia (and most US cities) were starting to become more hospitable places to live.

But there was something else also going on at that time.

Penn was the first US college to effectively "game" the US News rankings and that change also took place at this time. Over this period, Penn increased the percentage of its incoming freshman class from about 20% up to 49%. Penn's admission rates plunged and its students statistics improved substantially. Penn's US News ranking improved from the mid- and high teens to the high single digits.

Early Decision was such an effective tool to avoid direct competition with more popular (and generally higher ranked) peer universities that, today, almost all the top colleges admit about 49% of their freshman through either binding or non-binding early admissions.

When early admission programs were first introduced across the country in the early 1970s, they were really small tools, almost only a courtesy to applicants. Now they are the foundation of how top colleges seeks to recruit and select their students. Penn quite literally revolutionized what early admissions was.

Columbia benefited more than any Ivy from the plunge in US urban crime rates. But Columbia also has a quirk in how its data is reported to US News.

When the US News rankings first began, Columbia University only submitted the admissions and student statistics from Columbia College, omitting data from the School of Engineering, the School of General Studies and Barnard College. Not surprisingly, the CC data was much "better" than that of the other undergraduate divisions.

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