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Subject: Princeton Questions


Author:
Tiger81
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Date Posted: 10:49:03 09/30/18 Sun

Three games in and Princeton has put together an impressive resume so far: combined scores of 146-26 (0 points allowed in 3Q/4Q), +6 turnovers (0 by Tigers), 11 sacks vs. 3 given up, starters off the field by the 4Q. It is hard to gauge the quality of the competition at this point in the season but Columbia in particular is not a push-over and in any case Princeton has not shown many weaknesses so far.

The next two games at home may not reveal much against Lehigh (1-3 and 30-10 losers to Penn) and Brown (1-2 and so far not a top tier Ivy team this year). The Tigers could of course be tripped up, flaws could be exposed and players lost to injury, as we saw last year.

The last 5 games, in contrast, will include Dartmouth, Yale (away) and Harvard (away, again, annoyingly) plus Penn (always tough but not in the same company as D, Y and H so far) and Cornell. That will be quite a gauntlet that Princeton will need to run to win a title this year.

There are several intriguing questions at this point in the season:

1. What offensive wrinkles are Surace and Gleeson keeping in their back pockets and when will they be deployed? We have seen a very vanilla scheme so far with just Lovett playing QB, very little mis-direction, vast majority of passes thrown to Horsted and Carlson and RPOs featured only against Columbia. Princeton’s trademark over the past many years has been to spread the field and force defenses to prepare for a wide variety of attacks. So far the Tigers have been winning big without having to diversify their offense.

2. Princeton has been missing three huge contributors to its front 7 on defense: Kurt Holuba, Matt Hampson and Ed Rudinski. I don’t know their status but without them and the talent and depth that they provide it will be much more difficult to play championship football against the best teams in the league.

3. Will any of the blue-chip freshmen become bigger factors in Princeton’s rotation as the season progresses? Brevin White is the most prominent name on this list but so far he has not seen the field ahead of Davidson and Keller during mop-up time. There were a number of stud defenders who had big time offers who have not seen the field yet. RB Trey Gray has had a few touches and he is another player who could add a new dimension to Princeton’s offense.

It will be interesting to see how the season unfolds ...

Go Tigers!

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[> Subject: Re: Princeton Questions


Author:
jerrylh
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Date Posted: 10:57:34 09/30/18 Sun

I find it unfortunate, actually irritating, that we know absolutely nothing about the status of the injured starters.

Why the absolute secrecy???

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[> Subject: Re: Princeton Questions


Author:
M3
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Date Posted: 11:34:23 09/30/18 Sun

As usual excellent analysis by Tiger81

It appears that the season is backloaded and the first 4 games will provide a lot of highlights but no strong tests.

Browns dismantling of Georgetown suggest that the Hoyas are awful and that the much imporved Brunos may provide a good test for the "Homecoming" game.

If Kurt Holuba, Matt Hampson and Ed Rudinski are or are not coming back there is certainly no strategic reason for Surace to say anything about it.


I will interesting to see if they are walking the sidelines with braces or casts this Saturday against Lehigh.

Dartmouth looked real good against Penn and I have a sneaking suspicion that Yale is going to have a tough time with them Friday night.

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[> Subject: Re: Princeton Questions


Author:
joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 11:48:50 09/30/18 Sun

Actually, the most telling Princeton stat so far, even with platoons of subs playing the entire fourth quarter of all three games, is: six penalties total in three games. That leads the FCS.

Of course, if you prefer glitz, I just realized Lovett is now responsible for 58 touchdowns in his 21 career games to date.

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[> [> Subject: The Dartmouth sophomore QB, Derek Kyler....


Author:
Ghost of Bob Blackman
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Date Posted: 13:35:52 09/30/18 Sun

...is responsible for 8 TD’s in his 3 career games to date. Projecting out to Lovett’s 21 games would give Kyler credit for 56 scores. So, Dartmouth has a QB generating scores at essentially the same rate as Princeton’s Lovett. Plus, Kyler gets nothing but love from Dartmouth’s defense; Lovett’s experience with Dartmouth’s defense in Week #8 will be horrifically different.

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[> Subject: that's pretty amazing


Author:
holtsledge
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Date Posted: 12:46:21 09/30/18 Sun

I wonder what the ivy record is?

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[> Subject: Re: Princeton Questions


Author:
Tad
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Date Posted: 08:00:32 10/01/18 Mon

There isn't much crossover in the record book between passing/rushing TDs but as near as I can figure: Rushing TDs Clifton Dawson at 60. Passing TDs James Perry at 74. Quinn Epperly had 73 Rushing/Passing. Lovett currently has 34 Rushing, 2 Receiving and 22 Passing for a total of 58. His totals this year are 5 Rushing and 9 Passing for 14. Averaging that out to 10 games would give him 4.6 per game or 46 for the year, bringing his total to 90. He needs 2.125 per game for the remaining 8 games to reach 75 and beat Perry by 1 score for a career.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Princeton Questions


Author:
Tad
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Date Posted: 08:09:13 10/01/18 Mon

Disclaimer: I cannot find a total rushing touchdown figure for Perry.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Princeton Questions


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 11:42:02 10/01/18 Mon


My recollection is that he didn't have many.

Brown pretty much threw the ball on every play with Perry. If that's not correct, I'm happy to be set straight.

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[> [> [> Subject: One


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 11:52:40 10/01/18 Mon

https://brownbears.com/sports/2018/5/8/brown-football-all-time-statistics.aspx?id=2715

He probably would have had more if he had the opportunity to play Georgetown.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: "I'm Gonna Start at an 11! I'm Gonna Take It to About a 15 Real Quick!"


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 12:19:37 10/01/18 Mon

Research-intensive and tying together disparate threads.

Brilliant post.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Well...


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 12:56:20 10/01/18 Mon

I had dinner Saturday with friends who were leaving on a family fly fishing trip.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Princeton Questions


Author:
joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 14:52:25 10/01/18 Mon

My compliments as well on the sticktoitiveness. Yet another example, if one were needed, of the smoking train wreck that is the Ivy League website. Uninformative, yet cleverly impossible to navigate.

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