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Subject: Re: Princeton Football Scholarships


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Sprint66
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Date Posted: 20:13:50 10/10/18 Wed
In reply to: M3 's message, "Princeton Football Scholarships" on 06:59:08 10/10/18 Wed

Bob Surace is an excellent football coach and he's worked very hard to build a dominate football program. He also has some of the best athletic facilities in the league, One of the reasons Cornell has posted only one winning season since 2001 is the disparity in financial aide. I have talked with dozens of our assistant coaches in recent years and it's a crazy recruiting system in the Ivy League because schools like Cornell have to wait until other Ivies make an offer and then we can match. Which means over the past twenty years all we're getting are "second pickings". I didn't realize the issue until Kent Austin came to Cornell from Ole Miss where he was the offensive coordinator. Austin loved Cornell and the Ivy League, but he said our recruiting and financial aide packages were much less fair than the SEC. Coach Austin turned around the program quickly, but he quit after three years because he simply couldn't compete for players.

My suggestion is every football team in the Ivy League gets the same pool of financial aide for their recruits and then once you use it up, you're done. That's the way nearly every other conference in this country works. Cornell is the youngest of the Ivy League and we have excellent academic programs. However our focus is more in areas like biology, plant science, medicine, animal science, engineering, etc. which means we don't get the billionaire contributors like many of the other Ivies. A plant scientist working on producing the best grapes for the wine industry is not exactly bringing in the big bucks. An engineer working for General Dynamics makes a very good living, but certainly not capable of the multi-million dollar gifts. Our College of Business is fairly new and it will take many years for those alums to blossom into big time contributors. I am very concerned about the long term viability of varsity football at Cornell and some of the other Ivies as well. We can only support nearly empty stadiums for so long.

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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 20:33:42 10/10/18 Wed

I understand your position but you also have to understand that football players are going to get exactly what all the other students get at HYP, no more, no less. No one in athletics has any influence over that, nor will they get any. If any of the other Ivies don’t wish to play in that world, they don’t have to. Nor does Lehigh, of course. HYP are doing this as a matter of institutional strategies, and you might want to consider what would happen if any of them decided to just skip the trouble and eliminate tuition entirely.

In other words, if anything the league is headed away from your idea, not toward it. That’s not an endorsement, just a fact.

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Bob S
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Date Posted: 20:37:18 10/10/18 Wed

According to Chuck Burton Patriot League teams can carry no more than 90 players and of those 90 a Patriot can carry no more than the equivalent of 60 full scholarships. The Ivies since they do not give athletic scholarships are not held to any such quota so theoretically they can offer more financial aide than a Patriot League squad.

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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 20:56:10 10/10/18 Wed

Interesting and accurate theory which has nothing to do with the discussion. They aren’t athletic scholarships. Out of interest, I did some quick numbers on the Princeton squad. If they have 120 on the roster with the average % getting aid and the average amount of aid per recipient, the Tigers would be giving the dollar equivalent of 51 full scholarships in aid.

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