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Subject: Football Recruiting Slots


Author:
Bob S
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Date Posted: 22:38:47 11/04/21 Thu

Was at a luncheon today wherein Coach Archer announced a new league policy for Ivy League football. A 10% decrease in allowable football recruits over the next four years. What has it been up to now-30? Those precious admission slots-the League keeps cutting them back.

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[> Subject: Re: Football Recruiting Slots


Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 09:44:28 11/05/21 Fri

Over 4 years? An experiment to see how it works out? A temporary response to temporary roster bump ups due to the extra year of eligibility?

If you cut below 120 over 4 years permanently, you put at risk jv programs. People don't come to our schools to play jv ball. But it provides experience in the varsity's defensive and offensive schemes and many, many players in the League who are contributors in their later years have gotten that experience. Some are good enough to see the varsity field as frosh, but many don't.

Of all the things Ivy administrators are currently dealing with, they come up with this?

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[> Subject: Re: Football Recruiting Slots


Author:
Roar Lion
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Date Posted: 11:48:18 11/05/21 Fri

It's an interesting decision but it probably makes sense because the schools see that they're going to have an unusual amount of fifth years for the next four years. Maybe limiting new classes to 25 is what will keep numbers at 120. I think Columbia has 130+ in the program right now, with 60 of them in their first year of eligibility.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Football Recruiting Slots


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 12:38:54 11/05/21 Fri

I respectfully disagree. If a school thinks it has more than the usual number on its roster due to the covid impact and response thereto, then that school can take fewer recruits in a given year. Princeton did that last year. You don't need a League-wide mandate which, if temporary, is unnecessary and is a dangerous precedent. The AD works it out with the FB coach and tells the Admissions Director we will take a specific number which is less than usual in a given year.

If Hanover Plain is correct, it is permanent.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Football Recruiting Slots


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Joe Friday
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Date Posted: 20:18:21 11/07/21 Sun

I understand that every rostered player during 2020-21 was given an extra year of eligibility by the NCAA, but I was under the impression that as of now the IL had agreed to allow 5th year players only for the 2021-22 year. Has that been expanded/extended by the IL?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Football Recruiting Slots


Author:
Ivy Inquisitor
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Date Posted: 20:45:07 11/07/21 Sun

I though this was a one time exception for seniors.

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[> Subject: Re: Football Recruiting Slots


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Hanover Plain
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Date Posted: 11:50:53 11/05/21 Fri

This is a permanent cut of admission slots and there will be more to come.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Football Recruiting Slots


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SpuytenDuyvil76 (Amherst example?)
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Date Posted: 12:11:28 11/05/21 Fri

What's next on the chopping block? Alumni legacy set asides? Although these are seemingly increasingly de minimis at a place like Columbia. The admissions slices are getting awfully thin.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Football Recruiting Slots


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 12:12:13 11/05/21 Fri

HP: Can you appropriately share anything about your source(s) on this? At one time there were far more football recruits admitted by League Schools. I remember speaking at different points with Hughes and Seidlicki circa 15 years ago when a cut to 100 over 4 years was rumored. Seidlicki told me the administrators always seem to be looking to cut back. I thought this was settled but I guess nothing ever is in this League.

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[> [> Subject: I believe you


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 13:15:26 11/05/21 Fri


Notwithstanding whatever "costs" language may appear in press releases, most suspect that the real reason that teams were eliminated in recent years was due to a sense that too many admissions slots were going towards athletic admits--especially after Operation Varsity Blues abuses.

When those sports were re-instated... the cuts had to come from somewhere else. Hence, football.

I agree that because of a roster glut, we won't see any impact on football anytime soon. Down the road... who knows? Depends on how smart teams are about giving offers to hs recruits. If they continue to give out 120 offers and the "worst" 20 accept them immediately (as our friend An Observer surmised a few months back), it could be a problem.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: I believe you


Author:
Diogenes (Go Green)
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Date Posted: 14:11:09 11/05/21 Fri

Yet another triumph for the woke weenies.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Feel free to make your case...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 14:22:13 11/05/21 Fri


... as to why those 2.5 slots every year are essential.

And it would be nice if you could come up with something better than "to own the libs."

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[> Subject: Re: Football Recruiting Slots


Author:
observer
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Date Posted: 19:25:53 11/05/21 Fri

The coaches/ADs need to respond by forcing the prexies to get rid of the bands, if not the entire AI, which, as everyone knows, is racist.

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[> Subject: Re: Don’t believe Cornell Coach


Author:
Red Ivy
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Date Posted: 21:54:23 11/05/21 Fri

Bob S- If you were at a luncheon and Coach David Archer mentioned that there was going to be a 10% cut in football recruits next year don’t believe it. He probably is talking about Cornell’s Presidents wish to continue to diminish football. Archer should be more worried about whether Cornell will win another game this year. If not he will be 0-7 in Ivy League play and 1-9 for the year. He will have a record over 9 years of 20-60 .250 winning percentage, his third 1-9 season and never a season above .400 . I am amazed he made it to a sports luncheon. If I was him I would be hiding in a closet. The guy is a complete embarrassment to his players and their parents.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Don’t believe Cornell Coach


Author:
Ivy Inquisitor (Coach Archer)
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Date Posted: 23:35:48 11/05/21 Fri

Red Ivy: Archer resigning may be the only way to get a new coach. By this point Cornell should have made more progress. Who’s to blame for Cornell football’s ills? Granted I can’t speak authoritatively on this issue but many say there’s a larger problem and some put the blame on Pollard. If this is true then what could’ve Archer accomplished if the university wasn’t sabotaging the football program? Will a replacement fair any better under the same circumstances? If you get your wish who should be his replacement? Sean Gleeson would be interesting.

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[> [> [> Subject: David Archer terrible before Martha Pollack


Author:
Red Ivy
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Date Posted: 09:56:27 11/06/21 Sat

David Archer was named Cornell’s football coach after the 2012 season. He coached in 2013 and finished 3-7. In 2014 he was 1-9. In 2015 he was 1-9. In 2016 he was 4-6, the most wins he has had in one season in nine years of coaching. Martha Pollack became Cornell’s President in April of 2017. Granted Martha Pollack does everything in her power to diminish Cornell football. As far as coaching goes David Arher has proved he was incompetent way before Pollack became President. The two are quite a pair and have ruined Cornell football. Martha is happy with Archer, why wouldn’t she be? He sucks up to her and keeps the enthusiasm for Cornell football at an all time low. Just what she wants.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Don’t believe Cornell Coach


Author:
sparman
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Date Posted: 09:24:06 11/08/21 Mon

If there are institutional issues, why would a rising star like Gleeson, who probably has considerable options, take such a position?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Sean Gleeson


Author:
ivy guy
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Date Posted: 11:14:04 11/08/21 Mon

For Gleeson, it would be a huge pay cut from being the OC at Rutgers.

Gleeson was James Perry's understudy at Princeton .... assuming the OC role when James left to be the Bryant HC.

After a short stint an OK State, Schiano recruited him back to New Jersey.

He was a Broyles Award finalist (Best Assistant Coach) and is regarded as a rising star--but the luster will tarnish quickly if Rutgers cannot get more wins.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Don’t believe Cornell Coach


Author:
Hotspur
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Date Posted: 12:21:28 11/08/21 Mon

We have two Cornell grads who ad nauseam blame Martha Pollack for Cornell's football woes but have provided not one shred of substance to support their ill-tempered and uninformed rants. It would add immensely to this forum if they would just shut up.

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[> Subject: Other sports?


Author:
Ivy Inquisitor (P.L.? Walk ons?)
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Date Posted: 23:57:01 11/05/21 Fri

Will this 10 % cut apply to all sports? If this is turns out to be permanent then the Ivy will be just like the Patriot League (They have a 90 player roster limit). Pre COVID-19 I think 30% of the athletes didn’t participate for the entire 4 years. Was that taken into account? Ivy Athletic program’s have allotted spots for “lower academic bands” for elite athletes.Football has 2 such spots per year.That could be a part of the reduction. Will there be a more emphasis on preferred walk ons?

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