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Subject: Re: Brown at Columbia


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Ghost of 1961
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Date Posted: 20:37:04 11/14/21 Sun
In reply to: Old Lion 's message, "Re: Brown at Columbia" on 20:59:08 11/13/21 Sat

It's always about next year for Columbia fans. They think only their team will get better, they don't realize everyone works in the off season to get better. What's the Ivy League record the past four years? What Coach Bagnoli has done is take the Lions from the scrap heap and lifted them into the land of mediocrity, the middle of the pack.

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Go Green
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Date Posted: 06:23:23 11/15/21 Mon


Bagnoli at Columbia is essentially Blackman at Cornell.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: In other words...


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Ghost of 1961
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Date Posted: 12:25:51 11/15/21 Mon

Excellent analogy. Bagnoli has done a commendable job, pulling the Lions up from the bottom. They've passed Penn, Cornell and Brown, but not there with Princeton, Harvard, Dartmouth and Yale. They caught lightning in a bottle three seasons ago with a once-in-a-lifetime (as described by some Columbia fans) run at a title, and yes, they did beat Dartmouth this year but recently, you could count on one win versus the top four and 2 or 3 against the bottom three, that's how you get to 4-3 in league play. If they win Saturday, they'll be 17-25 in Ivy play under Bagnoli. Better than before and that's how Columbia fans should look at it. Looking ahead to next season, the Lions should be picked 4th in the league.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Eldo Bagnoli is Recruiting Against Surace and Murphy, But They Ain't Recruiting Against Him


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 16:40:22 11/15/21 Mon

I guess you guys don't believe in grading on a curve.

When Bagnoli arrived in Morningside Heights, the situation was, as hinted in the other thread by noted master of understatement Calvin, like Hiroshima in 1945.

C'mon, Columbia immediately post-Mangurian? Forget about leaving it bare, there was no cupboard.

Before you become champion, you must first become mediocre.

Ivy League football, especially in the middle and back of the pack, has never been better. HYP have never put more pressure on the rest of the conference with their generous financial aid packages. After Al Bagnoli visits a young man who can run a 4.4, Bob Surace and Tim Murphy walk into his living room to ask his parents and him, "How would you like to attend Princeton or Harvard for free?"

How would you like to be competing against that?

I would take Bagnoli at his current age straight up against every other Ivy League coach at their respective current ages, with the exception of Teevens and Surace.

Give the guy the benefit of context. Let's put it this way. Whatever Bagnoli does or does not win on Robert K. Kraft Field at Lawrence A. Wien Stadium in the City of New York in the way of championships over the next decade, that's the ceiling at Columbia, right now and probably forever. That's the ceiling at Columbia given the strength elsewhere up and down Ivy football, especially the realities of HYP financial aid policies.

Al Bagnoli is recruiting against Bob Surace and Tim Murphy. But guess what? Bob Surace and Tim Murphy are competing against middle of the pack and lower FBS programs. That's what Bags is up against. Plus, you know, that damned subway ride up to Baker Field.

The Little Sicilian is doing great.

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